Pastors

[Bruyas]

Do pastors who commit suicide go to heaven? What is everyone s opinion.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

There is no negative consequence for committing suicide anywhere in Scripture, unless you really want to twist "Thou shalt not murder." The Almighty doesn't care about how your life ends, only about what you did during the period you were alive.

 

[Bruyas]

As long as you believe in Jesus and repent, you will be saved. I thought actions didn't matter, as long as you believes in Jesus and accept him as your savior.

 

[tdidymas]

Do pastors who commit suicide go to heaven? What is everyone s opinion.

I wouldn't recommend that as a regular practice.

Seriously, I don't think we can judge anyone that way. I don't think that suicide is an unpardonable sin, but I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone to do it. We're supposed to find abundant living in Christ, not despair.
TD

 

[tdidymas]

As long as you believe in Jesus and repent, you will be saved. I thought actions didn't matter, as long as you believes in Jesus and accept him as your savior.

If you repent, then actions matter. Matthew 7:23-26.
TD

 

[Tempura]

I hope you're not trying to make an excuse for killing yourself. I really hope you get help for your condition, and that you could break that tunnel vision you seem to have. If some people around you can help, be honest with them. You don't have to pretend to be alright if you're not.

You can talk to me too if you want, we have that private conversation going. I'm sorry I can't talk english out loud on a phone, but we can talk otherwise.

 

[Jeshu]

As long as you believe in Jesus and repent, you will be saved. I thought actions didn't matter, as long as you believes in Jesus and accept him as your savior.

How are you going to repent of committing suicide?

Whatever people say the Scriptures says this;

Revelation 12:13
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

Now the Lord knows your heart and the wrong that dwells there in. Choosing death and not Christ to bring you relieve from your inner torment doesn't seem to fit into the story of salvation anywhere, apart of dying spiritually. To lay down your fallen hurting life and dress in His New and glorious life is how that goes.

Please brother understand that your fixation with death is driven by your bad life and not inspired by good life. It is good life you have to learn to listen to and that means you don't heed bad life any more no matter how hard they press their crap upon you. This is the battle, not to get permission to do sin, but to fight the wicked bringing bad life and learning to trust God that He will bring back good life.

I do really hope you will enter His rest today an ever day it is called today.

Peace

 

[Bruyas]

Hope seems to dim more everyday. Maybe you have a blessed life but when you seem to be the only one with a cursed life, then you may understand what I am feeling. I pray everyday to Jesus, that is the only thing I have left.

 

[Jeshu]

Hope seems to dim more everyday. Maybe you have a blessed life but when you seem to be the only one with a cursed life, then you may understand what I am feeling. I pray everyday to Jesus, that is the only thing I have left.

What Can I Say About Suffering

What can I say, about what have I learned from our Heavenly Father? I can see now that evil lies cause pain to be alive within human existence. I have watched how isolation, forces lies down into suffering souls - as The Wicked cut all ties with truthful love and our crushing depression generate its own misery in our agonising hell down there. I know that in the Pit all lies end up - dragging us down living dead. Yet why would I continue to let bad life be dominant in my inner world of awareness and not God's loving truth to rule my every moment?

I have learned that creeds, values and morals are rules upon rules ruling. Still wicked lies spread like maggots through my flesh, killing all goodness within me, because I'm imperfect! To just let it be and move on is best I learned about that. And so The Word of God spoken in love for God, self and neighbour, is The Voice to heed at all times.

I have experienced that time brings good and bad, up and down, far and wide for everyone. Yet the power of God's love, as even bad sin and great failings ruled me, couldn't subdue Jesus grace over me as His loving truth set me free to be myself - time and again.

I understand that anguish speaks to those experiencing life truly untrue and lovelessly - and that our Heavenly Father never wanted this to rule His kids. Indeed I know that my wretchedness longs for the demise of all my agony. So that misery may never rule my life again, no more Bad Life overshadowing my here and now, instead freedom for me. For in God's loving truth, even through much hurt, I can finally stay on top of things, my loveless lies to hand to Christ as God's Good Life grows within in Return.

I know now that loving truth is the only useful weapon against the forces of evil. Complete freedom for me if I heed God's love in truth to rule my daily life. So why would I foolishly keep letting malefic lies decide my future. Why not forgive, why leave truthful love? While I know that only God's good makes my life a worthwhile experience?

I have seen that life is genuinely worth living in honest loving togetherness. Where everyone who exists is esteemed because they are specially made. For our real value lays not in how much gain we can yield for others. But simply because all existence speaks of life's importance to be loved. The communion of Saints - true love loving people doing the loving - is very important therefore.

So I choose loving truthfulness to steer me through those terrible storms down here. For even through extraordinary agony and times of incredible much suffering. God's truth preserves my life. His loving goodness keeping me from falling. As I found that warm-heartedness is truly effective against the deadly chill of devil's breath.

My dear brother, as I hope you can see, I have been where you are, many times even, for very long times. My worst depressive spell was seven years. My life turned blessed when I left the impostor calling himself Jesus but in reality was just the false prophet bringing me gloom and doom.

This is the problem with depressed people, you included, we are often completely overcome by the lies of our depression and follow what our feelings say and/or what religion or our education or social conditioning has taught us and find only a bottomless pit. The call to end it all is the last straw, the last bit of good life left to you, you the one who suffers wrong so intensely, if you just become wrong yourself then death can swallow you up and dispose of you. Satan isn't called the destroyer for nothing, please, please have nothing to do with him and his tempting voice to lure you to an early grave.

Please brother repent of heeding the tempting voice of the murderer of God' people, he is a liar. He is also the one who has been bringing this terrible suffering upon you and caused the great desolation to happen to you. He is the abomination that pretends to be god but isn't God at all. He had me, and many others here also on our knees through depression and other ways.

Please understand that depression is an illness. I've got schizo-effective disorder and depression is just part of life therefore. However we can suffer depression and bring forth darkness and be like the darkness does, or we can overcome the darkness with God's light and let His Word teach us what is wrong and right and turn from heeding wrong and do what is right.

Honest brother we depressed people can suffer depression, even crippling severity, and still not suffer nowhere near you do now (and we have for long times as well,) not just because we are good or blessed, though we are when we are like that, but because we let the truth of God's word set us free from our torment and find comfort in Christ's love over us. People who follow the truth get good results in their lives.

To be able to receive this you must turn away from the lies you now believe about God, yourself and others and open yourself up to receive the truth of God's love through the truths of the bible.

Can you see this my dear struggling and hurting brother? Can you see that you are captive by lies that destroy instead of bring life? How can that be from God? Honest my dear brother it is a terrible trap to hurt you even more than you do now.

To be free to suffer from depression means that you can love God and neighbour your neighbour as you love yourself even while you are at your worst - to kill yourself is not loving ourself at all - to kill yourself will not stop your torment like the lies say - only the truth of God can set you free brother and get you away from your bad life - time and again!

It is love that can heal your feeling world brother, the love of God, please turn to Him and live why should you believe death to be the answer? How can that ever be true when Jesus says that He is the Life, are you not supposed to be speaking with Him instead of the enemy?

Please reconsider your plans brother, please reconsider.

I wrote this poem while I was suicidal it was a horrific time. The Lord has shown me how to get away from places like that by loving Him, self and neighbour as self, much better than hurting bad life that is for sure.



Miseries Ugly Truth

My truth is sore and ugly,
my truth is I hate my life.
The Truth is, truth is unwanted!
my truth is rotten to the core,
my truth stinks like sewage.

My truth is hard and mean,
My truth is without any good.
The Truth is, my truth burns!
My truth is a walk in darkness,
my truth kills my good life.

My truth lies to me continually
my truth isn't holy or blameless
The Truth is, my truth is the pits!
my truth is utterly godforsaken
my truth is irredeemable.

My truth is utterly rejected,
my truth hands out no mercy.
The Truth is, my truth is loveless!
My truth hotly desires good life,
my truth hurts like Hell.

My truth is not welcome,
my truth is not loved.
The Truth is, My God, my God,
why have I forsaken You?
Is that why I'm down here?

 

[dysert]

First of all, I agree with the consensus that suicide won't send you to hell. Jesus died for our sins, past, present, and future, and suicide is not the unpardonable sin. Second, I think pastors should go to therapy regularly. Therapists see other therapists because of all the crap they hear all day, and I think the same would be true of pastors. Third, my therapist once told me that it's silly to effect a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Yes, depression can last a very long time (I know), but it's temporary in the grand scheme. Suicide is permanent. Who's to say that with the right therapy and the right meds that you couldn't get better to the point of being used by God again in some capacity. Get help, and keep looking forward, not back. God can use even those of us who are depressed.

 

[tdidymas]

Hope seems to dim more everyday. Maybe you have a blessed life but when you seem to be the only one with a cursed life, then you may understand what I am feeling. I pray everyday to Jesus, that is the only thing I have left.

I would say you need a support group. Celebrate Recovery is something you should seriously consider. You can talk out your issues with people who have similar problems, much like therapy. You definitely need to know you're not alone in your struggle. Get help immediately if not sooner.
TD

 

[Bruyas]

I do pray to Jesus for any type of help a lot. I know it takes time but when there doesn't seem to be a response, that is where the hopelessness creeps back in.

What Can I Say About Suffering

What can I say, about what have I learned from our Heavenly Father? I can see now that evil lies cause pain to be alive within human existence. I have watched how isolation, forces lies down into suffering souls - as The Wicked cut all ties with truthful love and our crushing depression generate its own misery in our agonising hell down there. I know that in the Pit all lies end up - dragging us down living dead. Yet why would I continue to let bad life be dominant in my inner world of awareness and not God's loving truth to rule my every moment?

I have learned that creeds, values and morals are rules upon rules ruling. Still wicked lies spread like maggots through my flesh, killing all goodness within me, because I'm imperfect! To just let it be and move on is best I learned about that. And so The Word of God spoken in love for God, self and neighbour, is The Voice to heed at all times.

I have experienced that time brings good and bad, up and down, far and wide for everyone. Yet the power of God's love, as even bad sin and great failings ruled me, couldn't subdue Jesus grace over me as His loving truth set me free to be myself - time and again.

I understand that anguish speaks to those experiencing life truly untrue and lovelessly - and that our Heavenly Father never wanted this to rule His kids. Indeed I know that my wretchedness longs for the demise of all my agony. So that misery may never rule my life again, no more Bad Life overshadowing my here and now, instead freedom for me. For in God's loving truth, even through much hurt, I can finally stay on top of things, my loveless lies to hand to Christ as God's Good Life grows within in Return.

I know now that loving truth is the only useful weapon against the forces of evil. Complete freedom for me if I heed God's love in truth to rule my daily life. So why would I foolishly keep letting malefic lies decide my future. Why not forgive, why leave truthful love? While I know that only God's good makes my life a worthwhile experience?

I have seen that life is genuinely worth living in honest loving togetherness. Where everyone who exists is esteemed because they are specially made. For our real value lays not in how much gain we can yield for others. But simply because all existence speaks of life's importance to be loved. The communion of Saints - true love loving people doing the loving - is very important therefore.

So I choose loving truthfulness to steer me through those terrible storms down here. For even through extraordinary agony and times of incredible much suffering. God's truth preserves my life. His loving goodness keeping me from falling. As I found that warm-heartedness is truly effective against the deadly chill of devil's breath.

My dear brother, as I hope you can see, I have been where you are, many times even, for very long times. My worst depressive spell was seven years. My life turned blessed when I left the impostor calling himself Jesus but in reality was just the false prophet bringing me gloom and doom.

This is the problem with depressed people, you included, we are often completely overcome by the lies of our depression and follow what our feelings say and/or what religion or our education or social conditioning has taught us and find only a bottomless pit. The call to end it all is the last straw, the last bit of good life left to you, you the one who suffers wrong so intensely, if you just become wrong yourself then death can swallow you up and dispose of you. Satan isn't called the destroyer for nothing, please, please have nothing to do with him and his tempting voice to lure you to an early grave.

Please brother repent of heeding the tempting voice of the murderer of God' people, he is a liar. He is also the one who has been bringing this terrible suffering upon you and caused the great desolation to happen to you. He is the abomination that pretends to be god but isn't God at all. He had me, and many others here also on our knees through depression and other ways.

Please understand that depression is an illness. I've got schizo-effective disorder and depression is just part of life therefore. However we can suffer depression and bring forth darkness and be like the darkness does, or we can overcome the darkness with God's light and let His Word teach us what is wrong and right and turn from heeding wrong and do what is right.

Honest brother we depressed people can suffer depression, even crippling severity, and still not suffer nowhere near you do now (and we have for long times as well,) not just because we are good or blessed, though we are when we are like that, but because we let the truth of God's word set us free from our torment and find comfort in Christ's love over us. People who follow the truth get good results in their lives.

To be able to receive this you must turn away from the lies you now believe about God, yourself and others and open yourself up to receive the truth of God's love through the truths of the bible.

Can you see this my dear struggling and hurting brother? Can you see that you are captive by lies that destroy instead of bring life? How can that be from God? Honest my dear brother it is a terrible trap to hurt you even more than you do now.

To be free to suffer from depression means that you can love God and neighbour your neighbour as you love yourself even while you are at your worst - to kill yourself is not loving ourself at all - to kill yourself will not stop your torment like the lies say - only the truth of God can set you free brother and get you away from your bad life - time and again!

It is love that can heal your feeling world brother, the love of God, please turn to Him and live why should you believe death to be the answer? How can that ever be true when Jesus says that He is the Life, are you not supposed to be speaking with Him instead of the enemy?

Please reconsider your plans brother, please reconsider.

I wrote this poem while I was suicidal it was a horrific time. The Lord has shown me how to get away from places like that by loving Him, self and neighbour as self, much better than hurting bad life that is for sure.



Miseries Ugly Truth

My truth is sore and ugly,
my truth is I hate my life.
The Truth is, truth is unwanted!
my truth is rotten to the core,
my truth stinks like sewage.

My truth is hard and mean,
My truth is without any good.
The Truth is, my truth burns!
My truth is a walk in darkness,
my truth kills my good life.

My truth lies to me continually
my truth isn't holy or blameless
The Truth is, my truth is the pits!
my truth is utterly godforsaken
my truth is irredeemable.

My truth is utterly rejected,
my truth hands out no mercy.
The Truth is, my truth is loveless!
My truth hotly desires good life,
my truth hurts like Hell.

My truth is not welcome,
my truth is not loved.
The Truth is, My God, my God,
why have I forsaken You?
Is that why I'm down here?

I do Pray to Jesus all the time. I know its about patience and things but when you are going through it with improvement over time, that is where the hopelessness creeps back in. I will continue to pray though.

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

I do pray to Jesus for any type of help a lot. I know it takes time but when there doesn't seem to be a response, that is where the hopelessness creeps back in.

I do Pray to Jesus all the time. I know its about patience and things but when you are going through it with improvement over time, that is where the hopelessness creeps back in. I will continue to pray though.

I feel the same way...the silence makes me feel hopeless

 

[Jeshu]

I do pray to Jesus for any type of help a lot. I know it takes time but when there doesn't seem to be a response, that is where the hopelessness creeps back in.

I do Pray to Jesus all the time. I know its about patience and things but when you are going through it with improvement over time, that is where the hopelessness creeps back in. I will continue to pray though.

I understand so full well what you mean. I been there for so many years, but I also know why it took so long for me to get free from that desolate reality. For I didn't fight bad life but mainly just let it in. I heeded hopelessness, despair, bitterness, hate, dislike, fear and the likes and not His good life at all. For the truth is that bad life will removes from the place where we are about to meet Jesus for they know the risk when He is seen, so they blind us to who He is, so that even as He knocks on our door, we hide away behind the lies that got us captive and refuse to open the door and let Him in.

In the end I found Jesus in my suffering self - in the darkest darkness in the gloomiest places in the most severe pain - not away from the pain but right in it!

God suffers all our wrongs and hurts all our pain so that is where you must find Him brother before it is to late and the wicked have dragged you down and killed you off with with their lies - hopelessness, despair, bitterness, lovelessness and fear are the powers that bring bad life into you and keep you from coming into contact with God -it are those miserable forces inside of you that lie to you about the truth of God, your neighbour and yourself all the time, it is best to be fully aware of that.

I so hope you will let go of your bad life brother and die to that and let God's kingdom grow in your heart by choosing for His good life and finding life in His loving truth instead of all that bad life in the great desolation.

I advise you not to just pray to Jesus but rather to meet Him on the Way, loving God and neighbour, as well as yourself because God does, and so growing away from your bad life into His good life. This is how good life came back for me. Jesus says that when we obey His command - that we truly love - then He will come and dwell in us along with His Father in Spirit - that is what you are longing for brother, that is what you want to happen to you for depression wont be able to beat you down no more after He takes up residence in your heart. (John 14:23.)

Be of good courage and fight the good fight brother.

Meeting Jesus.

Inability to change forces me to look Jesus in the eye.
The blushing shame from my own nakedness creeps.
Lucky I know the accuser is merely the father of the lie.
Well now a harvest this fallen angel reaps.
Come see the weeds inside my heart to be burnt!

"Can you remember times of wanton greed?"
Awakened, I hear my faithful Saviour speak
"When you hated from my love to feed?"
In His kind words the fire of His mercy peaks,
I watch my greed tumble out of my psyche.

A fiery ending is the best way to illustrate,
the fate my inner greed meets on his tailspin out.
Utterly rejected and in a most miserable state.
Clear knowledge what his punishment is about,
This past ruler is stripped of his powers.

"Those times you in selfishness did feed?"
The perspicacity of His view zeros in.
His voice gentle, sounding so sweet.
Still I watch my biggest I crumble within.
Tumbling down the tunnel without ending.

"But my beloved child why did you follow?"
His urgent words bring me back from sure calamity.
"How much narcissistic thinking did you swallow?
Come, just let it flow out of your personality,
take on a humble vision of self like me."

Gratefully I take His gift offered to me.
A humble heart inside my chest to throb.
Truly from greedy selfishness free to be.
My dear Heavenly Friend please never stop,
fill my every sense of being with Yourself.

Never did I deserve this.
Your goodness in my heart to meet.
I have done so much amiss.
Yet in loving care You still greet.
Oh how I long forever in You to be.

 

[Noxot]

probably some of them did but others ended up in hell.

I talk to God a lot about killing myself. people should be happy if I die and stop being foolish and wasting money on the getting rid of my body. what a waste.

because you know, i really want to keep being in this world. I love having to exist in insanity and in turning all of life into "having food, people, and shelter"

i'm sick of having to prove myself. everyone should have a great life but for some reason that is not always the case. to be rid of evils is something that most people want. to be and have love seems to be the only meaning of life.

sadly so many would be hurt by your suicide. if you don't care for them then it might mean you end up in hell. there is no guarantee that we will become better just because we kill ourselves.

but I know how suicide is. it thinks it might be worth the risk. so then God has to give us fear or empathy for others least we kill ourselves.

"any place has got to be better than this."
"do i really wanna go on the same for years and years to come?"
"maybe I should kill myself for no reason other than to love God"
"I just want relief, this entire universe is stupid."

it is a hard challenge to go through but maybe i'm just a coward. I don't care if i'm a coward because I hate this reality. you go through a lot when you consider suicide.

"if life has no value then why keep living."

but still, if anyone does love you then your suicide will hurt them. so i'm really concerned for those who think that no one loves them. but then again, if no one loves them and they can't find love, then why do you think they desire to keep living?

 

[Bruyas]

To be honest, I don't desire to live anymore, but I am afraid to kill myself, though. I know suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, but that's for people that have something in their life. When you don't have anything in the first place, the temporary problem becomes a permanent problem and so a permanent solution may seem appropriate. If things dont improve soon, i will be forced to revisit the idea of a better solution. That's my mindset. But for now the only thing I have is prayer to Jesus. Noxot I hope you continue to live for as long as you can. I am sure you have more in your life and let that be your motivation to live.

 

[Tempura]

I hope you manage to get help as well. Plenty of it might seem hopeless and too much of an effort, but in the end it's worth it. It's about not totally succumbing to how one is feeling, even if it the feeling is there. It's about fighting to get out of that mental cage, and help along the way is a great thing.

And I do know there can be a weird comfort in just thinking about suicide. It's almost as if it's something you can trust, when you find it hard to trust anything else. Like some twisted crutch that doesn't do anything good in the end. I know it's easy to feel it, and it's hard to just turn it off. The trick is to recognize it, but leave it at that. It's just a thought in the end, just a feeling or even an urge. It's certainly not a compass for those who are already a little blind in the tunnel vision they're trapped in.

In the end, we can't make ultimatums towards God and life. It's better to hope and love, and to live for that hope and love to have a chance. One day at a time, just like anyone else. In the meantime, we do what we can and that's enough. Said a prayer for you.

 

[OutOfPlace_Christian]

Do pastors who commit suicide go to heaven? What is everyone s opinion.

I hope that you're not planning on ending on your life. I hope you may find healing in your pain. If you are a pastor, I can only imagine the pressure on your shoulders and being expected to be a certain way but you're human. You have weaknesses too There will be trials and tribulations but suicide is not the answer. Take it one day at a time and be open with the Lord. I'm still learning how to trust in Him in the dark and quiet times.

 

[tdidymas]

Are you searching out a Celebrate Recovery group? (celebraterecovery.com - locate a group)
Are you inquiring for a support group? (friends, relatives, family, neighbors, church members)
Are you counselling with an elder?
Are you making an appointment with a psychiatrist? (I believe you should seek professional help)
Are you making effort to change your diet?
Did you call the "suicide watch" number? ( 1-800-273-TALK)
Have you been seeking scriptural answers? (Romans 8:18-28)
TD

 

[Bruyas]

I pray to Jesus, I haven't used a celebrate recovery group but have talk to friends. I don't know what an elder is. I have called the suicide hotline. I am debating seeing a professional for counseling cuz he will just try to convince me not to harm myself, but the problem will still exist so no point in going. I don't know what scriptures to look for.