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Never claimed it was. But the distraction of mentioning that is noted.

You are trying to come up with a conspiracy theory about how Democrats have been unfair to the president. I would argue we have been more than patient.
 
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Doesn't it concern you that an opinion piece in that extreme leftist publication ended up being the playbook of the democrats ever since the article was written?
I think it was only the playbook of the fringe, not the center as represented by Pelosi and most others.

Its like the crazy fringe Obama-isnt-a-real-American bs playbook....... Oh wait, the de facto dead center leader of the R's actually promoted that at every opportunity.
 
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You are trying to come up with a conspiracy theory about how Democrats have been unfair to the president. I would argue we have been more than patient.

All I did is post an article that was published before Trump was even inaugurated and pointed out how the things suggested in the article ended up being the democrat strategy ever since.
 
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Threatened? Giving them a way of defending themselves against possible Russian aggression (something strange for an accused Russian agent to do) is threatening? :scratch::scratch::scratch:
Oh brother.

Even a lot of solid center Repubs think Trumps actions in this matter were flat out wrong.

No need to re litigate this here for the umpteenth time.
 
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Oh brother.

Even a lot of solid center Repubs think Trumps actions in this matter were flat out wrong.

No need to re litigate this here for the umpteenth time.

The challenge for the center and the left is agreeing for a graceful way for Republicans to do the right thing and castrate Trump's abuse of power.

But there's no question that people like Murkowski or Collins know that what Trump did was abusive and wrong.
 
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I think it was only the playbook of the fringe, not the center as represented by Pelosi and most others.

Its like the crazy fringe Obama-isnt-a-real-American bs playbook....... Oh wait, the de facto dead center leader of the R's actually promoted that at every opportunity.

If it was only the playbook of the fringe and not Pelosi and "most others", then why did Pelosi and nearly every democrat in the House and Senate go along with it? Were they afraid of being outsiders?
 
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If it was only the playbook of the fringe and not Pelosi and "most others", then why did Pelosi and nearly every democrat in the House and Senate go along with it? Were they afraid of being outsiders?

Because Trump finally did something reprehensible and abusive that demanded action. To not do so would mean the Democratic leadership would be untrustworthy by its supporters.
 
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Because Trump finally did something reprehensible and abusive that demanded action.

Not according to those who listened to the case. Also not according to the leadership of Ukraine.

To not do so would mean the Democratic leadership would be untrustworthy by its supporters.

They've proven themselves to be that every time they let their hatred for Trump guide their actions.
 
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Not according to those who listened to the case. Also not according to the leadership of Ukraine.

I don't expect Zelensky to be objective on this point, after all he and his nation are victims of the abuser in the Whitehouse, yet still dependent on their aid.

They've proven themselves to be that every time they let their hatred for Trump guide their actions.

Because attacking our character does so much to advance the conversation.
 
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I don't expect Zelensky to be objective on this point, after all he and his nation are victims of the abuser in the Whitehouse, yet still dependent on their aid.

Poor Ukraine! Victim of Russia who wants to attack them, and victim of Trump who gives them 400 million dollars to defend themselves. Too bad they just don't realize how big of victims they are!

Because attacking our character does so much to advance the conversation.

Exposing the character of a party isn't an attack. It's an unveiling. The conversation can start when the party can slide out from under its denial.
 
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Poor Ukraine! Victim of Russia who wants to attack them, and victim of Trump who gives them 400 million dollars to defend themselves. Too bad they just don't realize how big of victims they are!

No, they realize it. They are just unable to do anything about it, realisitcally.

Exposing the character of a party isn't an attack. It's an unveiling. The conversation can start when the party can slide out from under its denial.

You expect me to believe this is what this is about? People like me will never be persuaded that Republicans are white knights. No, this is about spinning a narrative to appeal to ones own base, however faulty and unreasonable it is.
 
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