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You are in a church with a pastor who has been at the helm,with solid growth/outreach for about a decade now. Two months ago he tendered his resignation and a board member received it before the congregation after an abbreviated sermon.

It's come out that he has been having an affair for two years. Let's say you were a board member through all this--what steps would you recommend with all parties to be appropriate and edifying?
 

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One of the youth pastors at my church actually confessed to having an affair with another staff member. His job ended, and the church relocated him several states away to one of the best marital counseling facilities in the country. The attitude was of sad disappointment. I'm pretty sure the staffer wasn't on staff anymore either. I never found out who she was or what happened to her.

A few years later, the youth group grew to the point where we had to expand the youth wing. Praise God, that was all Him.

So in short, I would be sad, I would disappointed, and probably angry. But I would do what I could to follow the whole truth, which is the truth in love, as my church did with this guy. I would be prayerful, and yet hopeful for the church and what God is going to do.
 
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So we're board members. I take it we can assume that the church is part of a network of other churches, and the pastor has peers and other, more senior, pastors that he is accountable to?

Well, he did the right thing. He confessed his sin, and he resigned his position. He's got a lot on his plate that he needs to work out, and mostly with his wife. Add to that he's now unemployed with not a lot in the way of prospects, as far at church jobs go, for quite a while.

I assume the woman he was running around with has left the church as well? If not, then she needs to be asked to leave. She can just to to another church on the other side of town and carry on like nothing happened. It will fall on other people to clean up the mess. Now, I assume that you, as a group, are on good terms with all the conservative churches in town and not just the ones in the same Denom. I'n not saying that Sally Hotpants is making it her business to put notches in her lipstick case, one for every pastor she drags down. And it's certainly wrong to gossip. But a discrete word to the wise, here and there, can be a prudent thing.

As far as the Board goes, nuts & bolts wise, first the pulpit had to be filled. If you're a large congregation, then you probably have an assistant pastor who can step right up temporarily. If not, maybe one of the board members can, if they feel comfortable doing pulpit ministry. And depending on the requirements of the Denom.

If there's no one in the local congregation, then one of the larger churches in the area should be able to send someone on loan for a few months.

Next, the board puts word out through the network that the church needs a pastor. You can collect resumes, listen to audition tapes (MP3s, more likely). Always remember, it's better to have no one than the wrong one.

As board members, our responsibility is to the local congregation and its long term spiritual health.

As far as the ex-pastor goes, if I were one of the senior pastors in the network then I would tell this guy that myself and a few other senor pastors will meet with him once a month for six months for prayer & accountability before we even begin to talk about any chance of future ministry for him.

Then, it's a lot of questions. Are he and the wife staying together? Separating but not divorcing? Are they divorcing?

IMO, and I'm probably in the tiniest minority here, a divorce won't necessarily automatically disqualify him from any future ministry.

Depending on how things do with his wife, I could see him being reassigned to another small church in another state. Or a support role at a larger church in another state.

But if he divorces his wife and takes up with the woman he was running around with, or if he refuses to submit to authority & the restoration process by sitting on the shelf for six months, then I'd recommend his ordination be pulled, and he be barred from ministry within the denom.
 
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You are in a church with a pastor who has been at the helm,with solid growth/outreach for about a decade now. Two months ago he tendered his resignation and a board member received it before the congregation after an abbreviated sermon.

It's come out that he has been having an affair for two years. Let's say you were a board member through all this--what steps would you recommend with all parties to be appropriate and edifying?

Accept the resignation and (depending upon the requirements of the denomination) establish a search committee to find a new pastor. Meanwhile, seek the services of a temporary pastor--a retired minister perhaps.

Are we missing something in this?
 
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You are in a church with a pastor who has been at the helm,with solid growth/outreach for about a decade now. Two months ago he tendered his resignation and a board member received it before the congregation after an abbreviated sermon.

It's come out that he has been having an affair for two years. Let's say you were a board member through all this--what steps would you recommend with all parties to be appropriate and edifying?

You could suggest that if he genuinely believes that adultery is fine he could join any one of numerous 'liberal denominations' who take a far looser line on such matters...

Or maybe you could ask him to present a final sermon to the church as to how adultery is fine and harms no-one really...

He cannot be a pastor though; poachers can become gamekeepers, but if they return to poaching they are not suited to the job any longer. And if he is unrepentant (or you think any show of such is just a show of it) then boot him out and make it known in the other churches of the town why you did so (because darkness and light can have no fellowship).
 
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Or maybe you could ask him to present a final sermon to the church as to how adultery is fine and harms no-one really...

He cannot be a pastor though...then boot him out....

Weren't we told that he had already resigned?
 
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Is he still part of the church though, and potentially a pastor elsewhere?

It's rare for a former pastor in this situation to find an alternate pulpit in the same town--because there's no keeping this kind of news hidden from the public. But I agree that there's a chance that he remains in the congregation.

No church I've ever been associated with would allow that, nor would the man normally want to continue on like that, but it's a possibility, if that's what the OP was saying to us.
 
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Great responses but could anyone be a bit more specific toward the approach to the congregational member? I have learned that the pastor did not wish to make an apology/confession to the body.

Should this information be given freely to the body? Should it be held in confidence with the board (however,it usually gets leaked out anyway often distorted)? Would you have the fallen one confess? When? How? If repentant should they be encouraged to stay or leave?

I think my church did a great job but I just recently found the rest of the story and it is SO SAD. And messy;I suppose I'm searching protocols. At some point it would be neat to also discuss how we see this happening over and over. This pastor was burn-out in a weak marriage--recipe for disaster.
 
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Great responses but could anyone be a bit more specific toward the approach to the congregational member? I have learned that the pastor did not wish to make an apology/confession to the body.

Should this information be given freely to the body? Should it be held in confidence with the board (however,it usually gets leaked out anyway often distorted)? Would you have the fallen one confess? When? How? If repentant should they be encouraged to stay or leave?

I think my church did a great job but I just recently found the rest of the story and it is SO SAD. And messy;I suppose I'm searching protocols. At some point it would be neat to also discuss how we see this happening over and over. This pastor was burn-out in a weak marriage--recipe for disaster.

I, for one, thought that when you said this:
he tendered his resignation and a board member received it before the congregation
...you meant that he was given a formal letter of resignation in front of the congregation after the sermon in which the pastor verbally announced it.

But you must mean that he learned of the facts prior to the announcement, that the resignation didn't include the actual reasons for it, and it's a question if it should remain confidential. But is he still a member of the congregation? If so, I don't think the board has an obligation to expose his doings. If he decides to start pastoring somewhere else, that might be different.

On the other hand, this could depend partially upon the traditions and standards of the church itself. Many denominations don't go in for public humiliations or confessions, but others which think in terms of the congregation being a society of proven people who are committed to a corporate pursuit of holiness might have a different answer.
 
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You are in a church with a pastor who has been at the helm,with solid growth/outreach for about a decade now. Two months ago he tendered his resignation and a board member received it before the congregation after an abbreviated sermon.

It's come out that he has been having an affair for two years. Let's say you were a board member through all this--what steps would you recommend with all parties to be appropriate and edifying?
Assuming he admitted to having the affair and that it was confirmed by two or three, then accepting his resignation would be appropriate. None of this ought to be kept secret, except for lurid details that would only serve to humiliate or possibly distort the truth. The congregation is owed an explanation, as they have submitted themselves under God's authority.

However, I agree that such occurrences should be dealt with under the utmost care and consideration with God's love, not to stir up gossip and other things displeasing to God.

Although it's honorable for such pastors to receive counseling within the church system to address their problem, I would be very hesitant to reinstate such a person to lead a congregation. I think it as an honor and privilege to serve God as a pastor, but not an entitlement. A few notable monumental errors in this department would be the reinstatement of Jimmy Swaggert and Ted Haggard back into the ministry. These men have no business behind the pulpit anymore, much less having any position of authority within the church.

Sounds like your church is trying to do it's best to deal with this dilemma. I'm sure there are lots of details you're not able to convey to us. I pray that God will lead you folks out of this mess like only He can. But it's going to take a lot of prayer. God bless.
 
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Should this information be given freely to the body? Should it be held in confidence with the board (however,it usually gets leaked out anyway often distorted)? Would you have the fallen one confess? When? How? If repentant should they be encouraged to stay or leave?

Betrayal is betrayal, whether it be within a marriage or any other relationship. So, what did the Church DO about Judas' betrayal? Is it possible there are any within the Body that are not aware of the Lord's betrayer?

When Scripture isn't incredibly clear on protocol, the only thing we have left is precedent.
 
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Great responses but could anyone be a bit more specific toward the approach to the congregational member? I have learned that the pastor did not wish to make an apology/confession to the body.

Should this information be given freely to the body? Should it be held in confidence with the board (however,it usually gets leaked out anyway often distorted)? Would you have the fallen one confess? When? How? If repentant should they be encouraged to stay or leave?

I think my church did a great job but I just recently found the rest of the story and it is SO SAD. And messy;I suppose I'm searching protocols. At some point it would be neat to also discuss how we see this happening over and over. This pastor was burn-out in a weak marriage--recipe for disaster.
Too bad for the pastor. That sort of thing is church business, and the church body deserves to know that an affair took place. It doesn't need to know who it was with, or the details of the affair, but that an affair took place by him on his watch isn't just his business, it's family business.

Now, if the membership needs to vote on new rules for conduct to prevent such a thing from happening again, release only the needed information that is relevant to the reform to only the voting members. If it's the elders that make the rules and don't need the vote of the congregation, then keep it to the elders and relevant staff who would be affected by the policy change.
 
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"A few notable monumental errors in this department would be the reinstatement of Jimmy Swaggert"

Unless I am mistaken, and I very well may be, Jimmy was initially ordained AOG. After his public confession, the AOG leadership asked him to step down from public ministry for three months as a first step in the restoration process, later extended to two years (their "standard" suspension for sexual immorality). He returned to public ministry after the three month suspension was up, and the AOG pulled his ordination.
 
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"could anyone be a bit more specific toward the approach to the congregational member?"

She should be asked to leave the local congregation. There is no need for public shaming, and no cause at all to forbid her from the other congregation in the same denomination across town.

After all, it's a church. That's where sinners are suppose to go.

I would, however, let the pastor of the church across town know who she was and what happened. Like I said, I doubt she's a "sexual predator" looking to pull down as many pastors as she can, or that she's demon possessed or some kookiness like that, but goodness knows some women are just bat poop crazy.


"Should this information be given freely to the body?"

Only the bare details - He sinned, he confessed, he resigned, he and the women he sinned with have left the church, with the assistance of the denominational elders he and his wife are seeking restoration.


"Would you have the fallen one confess?"

Again, there is no need for public shaming. The only reason to "take it before the congregation" is if she refuses to leave the local church after the elders have approached her together privately. Then, yes, I believe Paul in First Corinthians gives instruction to call the sinner out in the public assembly, and publicly order them to leave.
 
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BTW, did anyone else read the thread title "Pastor Fails" and think that this was going to be a thread full of videos of pastors falling off the stage, or burping during prayer, or whatever?

God, I think the internet had destroyed me...
 
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"Only the bare details - He sinned, he confessed, he resigned, he and the women he sinned with have left the church, with the assistance of the denominational elders he and his wife are seeking restoration."


This seems most wise but the pastor tendered a resignation and it was accepted by a board member at the end of a service. Not a peep was spoken as to why or whom relational impropriety led to the resignation.

It would be nice and neat under wraps if kept with the board. However,people as they are will talk and learn later so it ends up in a mess anyway. I haven't seen him or the female member of the church at church at all lately. She is married(a member) and has a brood of kids. It's all so very sad--our enemy does seek to devour.

Burnout with church work coupled with a sexually rejecting wife(all that applies here) is prime conditions for a fall.
 
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"A few notable monumental errors in this department would be the reinstatement of Jimmy Swaggert"

Unless I am mistaken, and I very well may be, Jimmy was initially ordained AOG. After his public confession, the AOG leadership asked him to step down from public ministry for three months as a first step in the restoration process, later extended to two years (their "standard" suspension for sexual immorality). He returned to public ministry after the three month suspension was up, and the AOG pulled his ordination.

Ted Haggard, OTOH, was non-denominational. He'd had some advisors around him after his fall to guide a restoration process; but he tended to buck them at every turn. Being non-denom, there was no real governing body to stop him, and finally he declared that God had called him to start another church and he was very defiant about it. He would declare in interviews that it was hypocritical for people to judge him for his sins when there were fat people in the church and gluttony is a sin...
 
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Calvary Chapel is non-denominational, but we joke that we're the worlds largest NON-denomination.

Pastors who want to use the name "Calvary Chapel" and the dove logo are expected to fellowship with other pastors in the network from the same local area, for both encouragement and accountability. Regional senior pastors are appointed, and they are responsible to help develop the younger pastors in their area and assist the smaller churches to grow. AND to exercise discipline where necessary.

Recently a large Calvary in Florida had a pastor fall to sexual sin, and many years ago a high-profile, non-Calvary, pastor in southern California fell to sexual sin, and Chuck Smith brought him on as staff at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa "for restoration." Chuck got a lot of criticism for that.
 
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Calvary Chapel is non-denominational, but we joke that we're the worlds largest NON-denomination.

Hmmm. That wouldn't seem to be correct on either count. :)

Recently a large Calvary in Florida had a pastor fall to sexual sin, and many years ago a high-profile, non-Calvary, pastor in southern California fell to sexual sin, and Chuck Smith brought him on as staff at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa "for restoration." Chuck got a lot of criticism for that.


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This seems most wise but the pastor tendered a resignation and it was accepted by a board member at the end of a service. Not a peep was spoken as to why or whom relational impropriety led to the resignation.

Reading this, I feel that I am losing sight of what the problem is that we are supposed to advise you about. He resigned and has left. The resignation has to be accepted and of course would be accepted no matter how he chose to deliver it. He hasn't been called by another church and there's apparently no one else in the congregation who was part of his "activities," so there doesn't seem to be an issue about protecting anyone's privacy or, on the other hand, revealing anything that's essential for the congregation to know.

:confused:
 
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