Passover For Christians

[Minister Monardo]

It's erroneous in that, once he takes that path he is a fellow citizen of Israel.

Gentiles living among Israel and circumcising all males may partake of Passover.
Full conversion to Judaism and not being considered goyim is not the same.
Does the Gentile living among the congregation and partaking in Passover after
circumcision have to wear tzitzit? Make pilgrimages 3 times a year, including the
feast of booths to commemorate the time in the wilderness? That is not even
relevant to what Exodus 12 is discussing. This is Passover participation only.
The error is yours to inject an "evolved" Judaism that made a path to righteousness
by keeping the Law for the non-Jew.
The topic is Passover after the time of Messiah on earth, and the crucifixion, resurrection
and ascension to present day. To what extent is today's Seder consistent with Torah, Exodus 12.
What is the Memorial?
It is not remembering slavery. The Memorial calls to remembrance the consecration
of the firstborn. That is the transition from the Old to New.
Exodus 13:
1 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
2 Consecrate to Me all the firstborn, whatever opens the womb among the children
of Israel, of man and beast; it is Mine.
13 And all the firstborn of man among your sons you shall redeem.

These memorials were to point forward to Messiah, not backward to remember
slavery. The modern traditional Q & A is not Torah.
Hebrews 12:
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,
to an innumerable company of angels,
23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven,
to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks
better things than Abel.

 

[HARK!]

Gentiles living among Israel and circumcising all males may partake of Passover.
Full conversion to Judaism and not being considered goyim is not the same.
Does the Gentile living among the congregation and partaking in Passover after
circumcision have to wear tzitzit? Make pilgrimages 3 times a year, including the
feast of booths to commemorate the time in the wilderness? That is not even
relevant to what Exodus 12 is discussing. This is Passover participation only.
The error is yours to inject an "evolved" Judaism that made a path to righteousness
by keeping the Law for the non-Jew.
The topic is Passover after the time of Messiah on earth, and the crucifixion, resurrection
and ascension to present day. To what extent is today's Seder consistent with Torah, Exodus 12.
What is the Memorial?
It is not remembering slavery. The Memorial calls to remembrance the consecration
of the firstborn. That is the transition from the Old to New.
Exodus 13:
1 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
2 Consecrate to Me all the firstborn, whatever opens the womb among the children
of Israel, of man and beast; it is Mine.
13 And all the firstborn of man among your sons you shall redeem.

These memorials were to point forward to Messiah, not backward to remember
slavery. The modern traditional Q & A is not Torah.
Hebrews 12:
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,
to an innumerable company of angels,
23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven,
to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks
better things than Abel.

I've already provided scripture which contradicts your doctrinal assumptions. You may choose to accept the scripture or not.

I don't know where you came up with any notions about Pesach celebrating slavery. I told you what Moses said about it on page one.

Exodus 13:3-4
And Moses said to the people: “Remember this day in which you went out of Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out of this place. No leavened bread shall be eaten. On this day you are going out, in the month Abib.


Being out of bondage, and being in bondage, are two very different things.

 

[Minister Monardo]

I've already provided scripture which contradicts your doctrinal assumptions. You may choose to accept the scripture or not.

The fact that the modern Q & A of the Passover Seder contradicts Torah is a fact.
As I have shown by the applicable scriptures from Exodus 12 and 13.
The Memorials are for the consecration of the firstborn, and point forward to Messiah,
not backward to slavery.
No doctrinal assumptions were made, as verified by the fact that you
have not quoted any statement of mine that could be classified as such.
I have quoted from Exodus 12 and 13, the appropriate texts that define
the Memorials for Passover and Unleavened bread.

 

[HARK!]

The fact that the modern Q & A of the Passover Seder contradicts Torah is a fact.
As I have shown by the applicable scriptures from Exodus 12 and 13.
The Memorials are for the consecration of the firstborn, and point forward to Messiah,
not backward to slavery.

Again:

I don't know where you came up with any notions about Pesach celebrating slavery. I told you what Moses said about it on page one.

Exodus 13:3-4
And Moses said to the people: “Remember this day in which you went out of Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out of this place. No leavened bread shall be eaten. On this day you are going out, in the month Abib.


Being out of bondage, and being in bondage, are two very different things.

 

[Minister Monardo]

I don't know where you came up with any notions about Pesach celebrating slavery. I told you what Moses said about it on page one.

Here you go again, misquoting me. I never spoke of "celebrating slavery".
I spoke of the Memorial of Passover. In the verse you quote, the Lord calls Egypt the
"house of bondage". The Memorial is defined by the Q & A.
I have made this clear in several posts which quote the actual questions and answers.
It is not about remembering harsh slavery, which is what is remembered in
the modern, traditional Seder. It is to remember the consecration of the firstborn.
That is Torah!

 

[klutedavid]

I've already provided scripture which contradicts your doctrinal assumptions. You may choose to accept the scripture or not.

I don't know where you came up with any notions about Pesach celebrating slavery. I told you what Moses said about it on page one.

Exodus 13:3-4
And Moses said to the people: “Remember this day in which you went out of Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out of this place. No leavened bread shall be eaten. On this day you are going out, in the month Abib.


Being out of bondage, and being in bondage, are two very different things.

Your highlighting supports your case. But what you did not highlight contradicts your view.

out of the house of bondage

Should have highlighted that verse this way.

out of the house of bondage

The house of bondage was Egypt.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Exodus 13:3-4
And Moses said to the people: “Remember this day in which you went out of Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out of this place. No leavened bread shall be eaten. On this day you are going out, in the month Abib.

Exodus 13:
14 And it shall be when your son asks you in time to come, saying, ‘What is this?’ then you
shall say to him, ‘With a powerful hand the Lord brought us out of Egypt, from the house of slavery.
15 And it came about, when Pharaoh was stubborn about letting us go, that the Lord put to death every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from human firstborns to animal firstborns.
Therefore, I sacrifice to the Lord the males, every firstborn of a womb, but every firstborn of my sons I redeem.

 

[HARK!]

It is not about remembering harsh slavery, which is what is remembered in
the modern, traditional Seder. It is to remember the consecration of the firstborn.
That is Torah!

I already made it clear that I don't follow tradition. I follow Torah. Here is what Torah says:

Exodus 13:3-4
And Moses said to the people: “Remember this day in which you went out of Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out of this place. No leavened bread shall be eaten. On this day you are going out, in the month Abib.

PASSOVER

“And this day shall be unto youfor a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD {Yahweh} throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)

UNLEAVENED BREAD

“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)

 

[HARK!]

The house of bondage was Egypt.

So faith in Yahshua frees us from Egypt? Let's get real.

 

[dqhall]

I've already provided scripture which contradicts your doctrinal assumptions. You may choose to accept the scripture or not.

I don't know where you came up with any notions about Pesach celebrating slavery. I told you what Moses said about it on page one.

Exodus 13:3-4
And Moses said to the people: “Remember this day in which you went out of Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out of this place. No leavened bread shall be eaten. On this day you are going out, in the month Abib.


Being out of bondage, and being in bondage, are two very different things.

At a Messianic Church in Israel, I heard a Passover sermon translated from Hebrew to English broadcast by an interpreter to my radio headphones. The speaker said, “They ate it in haste.” (Exodus 12:11). The speaker told us, “If you ever have to flee persecution. you must go quickly.”

I read an article about German Jews who saw problems in Germany and immigrated to Palestine, a British territory. They had been professionals in Germany, but became farmers in Israel. God delivered them from the coming genocide.

 

[HARK!]

What's this?:

from the house of slavery.

How does this negate what I said?

 

[klutedavid]

So faith in Yahshua frees us from Egypt? Let's get real.

That's what the text says, 'the house of bondage'.

You quoted the text and you omitted, 'the house', which is misleading.

I don't know if your doing this on purpose but it is a misleading practice.

 

[HARK!]

At a Messianic Church in Israel, I heard a Passover sermon translated from Hebrew to English broadcast by an interpreter to my radio headphones. The speaker said, “They ate it in haste.” (Exodus 12:11). The speaker told us, “If you ever have to flee persecution. you must go quickly.”

I read an article about German Jews who saw problems in Germany and immigrated to Palestine, a British territory. They had been professionals in Germany, but became farmers in Israel. God delivered them from the coming genocide.

I eat mine in haste according to scripture, not like I'm attending a Greek symposium.

 

[HARK!]

That's what the text says, 'the house of bondage'.

You quoted the text and you omitted, 'the house', which is misleading.

I don't know if your doing this on purpose but it is a misleading practice.

If you believe that the house of slavery is limited to the geolocation of Egypt; you may wish to seek out a deeper spiritual truth.

 

[Minister Monardo]

What's this?:



How does this negate what I said?

That is not a quote of what I posted.
If you have failed to see the significance of the consecration of the firstborn
and how that is the larger point at issue as a memorial and prophetic to Messiah
presented in Exodus 12 & 13, that is a point for you to dismiss, I suppose.
It is getting late.
Shabbat Shalom.

 

[HARK!]

That is not a quote of what I posted

You are mistaken. I didn't FIFY.

In fact, I quoted you verbatim. I'll withdraw my question. If you aren't aware of even what you have presented; I won't rely on your answer.

 

[Der Alte]

I don't recall you saying anything about salvation. Perhaps it is you who should read what you wrote.
(CLV) Ex 12:15
Seven days shall you eat unleavened bread. Yea, on the first day you shall eradicate yeast from your houses; for anyone eating what is leavened, from the first day unto the seventh day, that soul will be cut off from Israel.
Were those who were cut off saved?

I don't see the relevance of the scripture or the question. I said nothing about unleavened in either of my posts. I did say that the Messianic cable guy, I talked to, said his synagogue observed all the feasts, festivals etc. in the Tanakh but not because it was required by the law.

 

[Torah Keeper]

At a Messianic Church in Israel, I heard a Passover sermon translated from Hebrew to English broadcast by an interpreter to my radio headphones. The speaker said, “They ate it in haste.” (Exodus 12:11). The speaker told us, “If you ever have to flee persecution. you must go quickly.”

I read an article about German Jews who saw problems in Germany and immigrated to Palestine, a British territory. They had been professionals in Germany, but became farmers in Israel. God delivered them from the coming genocide.

I remember a story about Jews that refused to leave Germany, although they were practically screamed at to leave. One family was standing in line for the "showers", and the wife said something like "We should have moved to Israel when we had the chance! Now look, we are going to die!"

 

[HARK!]

I don't see the relevance of the scripture or the question. I said nothing about unleavened in either of my posts. I did say that the Messianic cable guy, I talked to, said his synagogue observed all the feasts, festivals etc. in the Tanakh but not because it was required by the law.

But they are required by the law, forever.

PASSOVER

“And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD {YHWH} throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)

UNLEAVENED BREAD

“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)

SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks)

“And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)

YOM KIPPUR

Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings. (Leviticus 23:31)

FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot)

And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)

 

[Filippus]

What is the Memorial of Passover for a Christian?

Exodus 12:14 So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast
to the Lord throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance.[/QUOTE]

I pondered on this too.

I received the following Scripture. John 6:53-59

The Old Covenant was introduced with the Pesach lamb and the people were joined into the covenant by partaking in the Passover meal.

So the New Covenant was introduced at the Passover seder when Jesus introduced the Communion. John 6:53-59 Replacing the old with the new.