Passover For Christians

[Clare73]

If there is no law then there is no sin and no need for grace. We are not born guilty of Adam's sin, we suffer the consequences of it...

We are born condemned by Adam's sin.

The result of one trespass was condemnation for all men. (Romans 5:18)

 

[HARK!]

What laws since and prior to Moses had death attached to disobedience?

All of them.

What are the laws of Abraham and Noah?

I would encourage you to study this out; but it's not within the scope of this thread. This tread is about Pesach.

 

[Clare73]

That's not what Paul said. Here are his actual words.

(CLV) Ro 5:13
for until law sin was in the world, yet sin is not being taken into account when there is no law;

< sigh >

And the rest of the story:

"for before the law was given, sin was in the world. . .
Nevertheless, death reigned (death is the consequences of sin) from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command (committing a transgression) as did Adam." (Romans 5:13-14)

The bolded words are translations of Paul's actual words. The grey words were added for sentence flow for translation into English.

Now, take Paul's words; and harmonize them with YHWH's words. As you are doing that, remember that no matter what your interpretation of what Paul said is, nor even Paul himself, trumps YHWH's word.

And that is grievous error.

The word of God in the Scriptures does not contradict itself.

To make it do so by setting it against itself is the red flag of gross error.

 

[HARK!]

Better judged than dead.

Indeed!

 

[HARK!]

The word of God in the Scriptures does not contradict itself.

Your erroneous interpretation of a poor translation does not qualify as scripture.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

We are born condemned by Adam's sin.

The result of one trespass was condemnation for all men. (Romans 5:18)

The consequence of that sin was that death was brought into world...now a fallen world...and we all sin so all condemned to death. Adam, by disobeying God's law, brought death to us all...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

We are born condemned by Adam's sin.

The result of one trespass was condemnation for all men. (Romans 5:18)

I was not in Gan Eden so I am not guilty of Adam's sin, BUT I can suffer the consequences of that sin...death, through my sins.

 

[Clare73]

All of them.

Book, chapter and verse, please.

I would encourage you to study this out; but it's not within the scope of this thread. This tread is about Pesach.

Falls somewhat short of supporting the statement made.

And I encourage the same to you.

 

[HARK!]

Book, chapter and verse, please.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

 

[HARK!]

And I encourage the same to you.

I already have; but this thread is about Pesach, not me and my studies.

 

[Clare73]

The consequence of that sin was that death was brought into world...now a fallen world...and we all sin so all condemned to death. Adam, by disobeying God's law, brought death to us all...

Well done. . .however, Romans 5:18 says "brought condemnation."

Romans 5:18 is not referring to natural death, condemnation refers to eternal punishment (Matthew 25:46).

 

[Clare73]

I already have; but this thread is about Pesach, not me and my studies.

Nor me and my studies.

 

[Clare73]

Really? SMH

Really.

You cannot give book, chapter and verse?

 

[Clare73]

Indeed!

Going in circles?

 

[Clare73]

Your erroneous interpretation of a poor translation does not qualify as scripture.

That's just what I was thinking about you.

 

[Clare73]

I was not in Gan Eden so I am not guilty of Adam's sin, BUT I can suffer the consequences of that sin...death, through my sins.

Death is not the consequences which Romans 5:18 states.

The consequences it states is condemnation; i.e., eternal punishment. . .sounds a lot like the consequences of guilt.

 

[Clare73]

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin is doing lawlessness also, and sin is lawlessness.

Only since Moses.

According to apostolic teaching, those between Adam and Moses were not doing sin, because there was no law. (Romans 5:13-14)

So exactly what were these Abrahamic and Noahide laws against which people were sinning?

 

[HARK!]

So exactly what were these Abrahamic and Noahide laws against which people were sinning?

YHWH almighty himself said that Abraham obeyed his laws. That's good enough for me.

If we follow your doctrine; what does this have to do with the OP?

Perhaps you can explain why YHWH didn't accept Cain's Mincha, or for that matter why Cain was even offering a Mincha. That would be far more relevant to the topic.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Death is not the consequences which Romans 5:18 states.

The consequences it states is condemnation; i.e., eternal punishment. . .sounds a lot like the consequences of guilt.

Were you in the garden? You cant be condemned, that is unjust. You can be when you sin though.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Really.

You cannot give book, chapter and verse?

I didn't think I needed to...it is pretty plainly stated in Genesis...maybe you should read it?