Passover For Christians

[Clare73]

Better judged than dead.

The judgment of Romans 2 is the final judgment.

 

[HARK!]

The judgment of Romans 2 is the final judgment.

And?

 

[Clare73]

Don't give up! I have faith in you! If sin is the transgression of the law, then
if there is no law, there is no sin and no need for grace...

We are all born condemned by Adam's sin (Romans 5:18).

We need grace without any law.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh (יהוה) or Yahaweh (יהוה). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (יה) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (יהו), and Jo or Yo (יו contracted from יהו, which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (יהו) in the second part of such names. The fact may also be mentioned that in Samaritan poetry יהוה with words similar in ending to Yahweh, and Theodoret ("Quæst. 15 in Exodum") states that the Samaritans pronounced the name Iαβέ. Epiphanius ascribes the same pronunciation to an early Christian sect. Clement of Alexandria, still more exactly, pronounces 'Iαουέ or 'Iαουαί[/font], and Origen, 'Iα. Aquila wrote the name in archaic Hebrew letters. In the Jewish-Egyptian magic-papyri it appears as Ιαωουηε . At least as early as the third century B.C. the name seems to have been regarded by the Jews as a "nomen ineffabile," on the basis of a somewhat extreme interpretation of Ex. xx. 7 and Lev. xxiv. 11 (see Philo, "De Vita Mosis," iii. 519, 529). Written only in consonants, the true pronunciation was forgotten by them. The Septuagint, and after it the New Testament, invariably render κύριος("the Lord").
Jewish Encyclopedia online​

The contraction is a poetic form and can not be from that word.
IaBe? Yes, orginally from Rome...Yove...Jove...Jupiter. Ever wonder why Yeshua said what He said to the Samaritan woman at the well in John 4:22?

 

[Clare73]

Then WHY were they judged for sin...it is not about Sinai...there were Adamic laws, Abrahamic laws, Noahide laws, etc...you just do not understand how Torah works. instead of acting like you do, you should listen and learn.

Where do we find penalty attached to them?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

We are all born condemned by Adam's sin (Romans 5:18).
We need grace without any law.

If there is no law then there is no sin and no need for grace. We are not born guilty of Adam's sin, we suffer the consequences of it...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Where do we find penalty attached to them?

Really? SMH

 

[Clare73]

It was still torah

Nope. . .

 

[HARK!]

We are all born condemned by Adam's sin (Romans 5:18).

We need grace without any law.

Sin is transgression if the law. No law = no sin. We're going in circles here.

 

[Clare73]

And that was an Adamic law...sin is the transgression of the law...

Book, chapter and vere of the Adamic law?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Nope. . .

YES! You are just exposing your limited knowledge by saying that...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Book, chapter and vere of the Adamic law?

LOL, read Genesis...

 

[HARK!]

Where do we find penalty attached to them?

(CLV) Gn 2:17
But from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you must not eat from it; for on the day you eat from it, to die you shall be dying.

 

[HARK!]

Book, chapter and vere of the Adamic law?

(CLV) Gn 2:17
But from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you must not eat from it; for on the day you eat from it, to die you shall be dying.

 

[Clare73]

Sin is transgression if the law. No law = no sin. We're going in circles here.

Speak for thyself. . .this is with YHD.

From Adam to Moses there was no law, but sin was still in the world (Romans 5:13-14), proven by the reign of death (Romans 5:14).

 

[Der Alte]

I already did; but what does any of this have to do with the topic of discussion, namely the OP?

I found nothing about Pharisee-ism at you link. I can't read every article and watch every video.

The contraction is a poetic form and can not be from that word.
IaBe? Yes, orginally from Rome...Yove...Jove...Jupiter. Ever wonder why Yeshua said what He said to the Samaritan woman at the well in John 4:22?

You are not paying attention. Read what I post. Don't assume.
The Samaritan women is not relevant to this thread. Perhaps the language of Samaria did not have a V or W sound. That is how Yeshua became Iesous, because Greek does not have a letter or letter combination for the sound of "sh" so it became "s." I seem to recall somewhere in the OT some of Israel's foes were ferreted out because they could not pronounce "shiboleth." I doubt very much that a Samaritan would know much of anything about YHWH, including His name.

 

[Clare73]

(CLV) Gn 2:17
But from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you must not eat from it;
for on the day you eat from it, to die you shall be dying.

("Dying, you shall die.")

That was law to one man, where death was attached to disobedience.

What laws since and prior to Moses had death attached to disobedience?

And since you've involved yourself here, what are the laws of Abraham and Noah?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I found nothing about Pharisee-ism at you link. I can't read every article and watch every video.

You are not paying attention. Read what I post. Don't assume.
The Samaritan women is not relevant to this thread. Perhaps the language of Samaria did not have a V or W sound. That is how Yeshua became Iesous, because Greek does not have a letter or letter combination for the sound of "sh" so it became "s." I doubt very much that a Samaritan would know much of anything about YHWH, including His name.

I DID read it. She is VERY relevant. Otherwise why do YOU think He said that to her? W is arabic.

 

[Clare73]

And?

Better judged than dead.

 

[HARK!]

From the time of Adam to the time of Moses there was no law, but sin was still in the world (Romans 5:13-14)

That's not what Paul said. Here are his actual words.

(CLV) Ro 5:13
for until law sin was in the world, yet sin is not being taken into account when there is no law;

The bolded words are translations of Paul's actual words. The grey words were added for sentence flow for translation into English.

Now, take Paul's words; and harmonize them with YHWH's words. As you are doing that, remember that no matter what your interpretation of what Paul said is, nor even Paul himself, trumps YHWH's word.

(CLV) Gn 26:5
inasmuch as your father Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My instructions, My statutes and My laws.