Parallels between Mohammed and Joseph Smith

[Catholic Evangelist]

As you may know, the entire Mormon religion is based upon the "revelations" of the "prophet" Joseph Smith. If he was wrong then Mormonism is wrong. There is almost no proof to suggest what he taught is true. The only excuse for staying Mormon for them, is faith in Joseph Smith. This is circular reasoning. If they are unwilling to challenge the authority of Joseph Smith, they will never get out of their false religion.

Likewise with Islam. It is entirely based upon the teachings of a fallible man, of whom we know very little about. Muslims never challenge the authority of Mohammed. Its circular reasoning entirely like that of the Mormons. Have you ever wondered why God would start a new religion if he had already started Christianity, which would only divide the world futher? Have you ever thought to yourself "hey. maybe mohammed really did make this up"?

 

[Arthra]

My own feeling is that Joseph Smith directed his concerns toward Christianity primarily of his time as it was very divided and fragmentary and continues to be. He called his church the church of the "later days". There was a very widespread expectation in the early nineteenth century in Christianity of the return of Christ or second coming and I believe Mormonism was a manifestation of this... another movement at the same time were the Millerites and there were other social and intellectual movements that were then making themselves known internationally.

I also think that there are many social aspects or Mormonism that are commendable especially in it's social concerns such as community help in time of need... emphasis on family values that are very important.

Islam to me is a separate phenamenau wholely exceptional for its time that has changed history and influenced civilization ...preserving much of the valuable contributions made by earlier Greek wisdom and science as well as Chinese and Indian discoveries and inventions and aiding Europe to move out of the "dark ages".

The importance of Islam spiritually is calling for a return to monotheism which I think the Christianity of the seventh century had largely moved away from.

I see the revelations of the Qur'an as being valid and authentic and confirming of what went before which was revealed in past Scripture.

- Art

 

[Amalcas]

I personally don't view Muhammad as being fallible, but that is besides the point. The point is that the same theory can be applied to all religions. Eventually, its based on faith. I won't argue this, but just, every time you present evidence, ask yourself what is the evidence of that evidence. Eventually, this becomes a paradox, displaying that, within reasonable bounds, religion is a thing of faith.

 

[markie]

As you may know, the entire Mormon religion is based upon the "revelations" of the "prophet" Joseph Smith. If he was wrong then Mormonism is wrong. There is almost no proof to suggest what he taught is true. The only excuse for staying Mormon for them, is faith in Joseph Smith. This is circular reasoning. If they are unwilling to challenge the authority of Joseph Smith, they will never get out of their false religion.

Likewise with Islam. It is entirely based upon the teachings of a fallible man, of whom we know very little about. Muslims never challenge the authority of Mohammed. Its circular reasoning entirely like that of the Mormons. Have you ever wondered why God would start a new religion if he had already started Christianity, which would only divide the world futher? Have you ever thought to yourself "hey. maybe mohammed really did make this up"?

I don't agree with Islam either, if nothing else their denial of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is sending them to hell, and I don't want to offend anybody but Romans 10:9 says confess the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead. They don't believe Jesus died so they can't believe that God has raised Him from the dead. I don't think Mohammed just decided to make up the Koran. They claim he was illiterate so he probably didn't write the Koran, whether he did or somebody else did or it fell from heaven and somebody found it it's a reinterpretation of the old testament and gospel's. Since they don't believe Paul was an apostle they probably won't believe Romans 10:9.
As for the Mormon's I think they do acknowledge the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[muslimah.]

As you may know, the entire Mormon religion is based upon the "revelations" of the "prophet" Joseph Smith. If he was wrong then Mormonism is wrong. There is almost no proof to suggest what he taught is true. The only excuse for staying Mormon for them, is faith in Joseph Smith. This is circular reasoning. If they are unwilling to challenge the authority of Joseph Smith, they will never get out of their false religion.

Likewise with Islam. It is entirely based upon the teachings of a fallible man, of whom we know very little about. Muslims never challenge the authority of Mohammed. Its circular reasoning entirely like that of the Mormons. Have you ever wondered why God would start a new religion if he had already started Christianity, which would only divide the world futher? Have you ever thought to yourself "hey. maybe mohammed really did make this up"?

Who are you to judge Islam this way?

how many times have read the Holy Quran & the Traditions of Prophet Muhammad PBUH?

and how many times have discussed Islam with a learned Muslim?

It is apparent that you do NOT have the slightest idea about Islam.

for your information Islam IS NOT a new religion. Islam is the only religion which God ordained since He created Adam & Eve , until the Day of Judgment. Islam means complete submission and believing in the ONE & ONLY true GOD. In other words ( monotheism) . It is impossible to have ONE GOD and at the same time have more than one religion. You find this in many places in the O.T like Due 4: 35 , Isa 9 : 46 , Hab 1: 12 . Also you find Matth saying on behalf of Jesus in 22 :37 And he said to him, Have love for the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.” Mat 22:38 This is the first and greatest rule.


There is NO difference between smith , Matthew, Luke. Paul , Mark ......etc for all of them wrote books from their own minds & claimed to be revealed . I wonder why would God ask many to write one book !!!!

If anyone invented a religion it is those people. there is NO such thing in pre- Jesus times that says anything about God having a son ( or He is His own son ?)
or talks about sin & redemption
all this is the invention of people you unfortunately believe.

I invite you to study the Holy Quran to see for yourself that IT has scientific material & prophecies that makes it insanity to think that a human being has written it.

 

[yak]

The importance of Islam spiritually is calling for a return to monotheism which I think the Christianity of the seventh century had largely moved away from.

- Art

Can you clarify this. I have not heard of Christianity moving away from monotheism before. Of course I know very little of history.

Thanks

 

[CrownCaster]

Who are you to judge Islam this way?

A Christian who is called to judge cults by the only Word of God

I invite you to study the Holy Quran to see for yourself that IT has scientific material & prophecies that makes it insanity to think that a human being has written it.

I would do just that but unfortunately I burned my only copy.

 

[muslimah.]

A Christian who is called to judge cults by the only Word of God

I would do just that but unfortunately I burned my only copy.

where is the word of God you are talking about?

and where is your proof that Islam is a cult?

and why did you burn the Quran copy ? did the TRUTH bother that to that extent?

I have "many" versions of the Bible

 

[Arthra]

YAk,

God's blessings to you!


In response to my earlier post:

The importance of Islam spiritually is calling for a return to monotheism which I think the Christianity of the seventh century had largely moved away from.

Yak responded:

Can you clarify this. I have not heard of Christianity moving away from monotheism before. Of course I know very little of history.

Thanks

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Well thanks Yak for your response!

It is really important that we all examine history in order to understand how religions have developed and evolved.

In my view on Christian history up to the seventh century there were numerous claims put on the belief of Christians in those days...among them were beliefs in the Trinity and the wording of the Apostles Creed, Athanasian and Nicene Creeds along with the theological doctrines of the nature of Christ and His mother as "Mother of God" and so... together with this were the use of images in church worship...Images of Christ and His mother as well as of the Father or God filled the minds of many Christians. Also many Christians began worshipping saints and venberating them.

Islam broke totally with these ideas and practices and called men back to the a pure Monotheism of belief in the Oneness of God and totally abandoned the use of images in worship.

The history of religions is like this... People begin to forget the original purity of religious truth and begin to add their own ideas and their ambitions also paly a part in this... God sends a new revelation to restore the ancient revealed truths and make them more relevant for the times.

- Art

 

[tulc]

Islam to me is a separate phenamenau wholely exceptional for its time that has changed history and influenced civilization ...preserving much of the valuable contributions made by earlier Greek wisdom and science as well as Chinese and Indian discoveries and inventions and aiding Europe to move out of the "dark ages".

I agree with this.

The importance of Islam spiritually is calling for a return to monotheism which I think the Christianity of the seventh century had largely moved away from.

This not so much.
Many people have trouble with the concept of the trinity. No problem. I'd say keep an open mind isn't that what this board is about? trying to understand other peoples point of view?
tulc(hope your day is blessed!)

 

[tulc]

Likewise with Islam. It is entirely based upon the teachings of a fallible man, of whom we know very little about.

Well that's not totally true. There are several good biographies of Muhammad out there. I'm sure someone can suggest a good one.
tulc(who enjoyed Karen Armstrongs, Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet very much)

 

[Arthra]

Thanks Tulc...

Good to hear from you... Hopefully from my last post you'll gather where I'm coming from... And by all means let's keep our minds and hearts open!

- Art

 

[Hydra009]

Ok, time for me to step in. (*edit, I wrote this before Arthra and Tulc brought some sanity to this thread.)

As for the OP, the comparison between Joseph Smith and Mohammad, that comparison could also apply to just about every religion out there. Many were based on a founding prophet, even Christianity (Jesus). The same insults (IMHO) that the OP places on Mormonism and Islam could also be used against the founder and followers of virtually any religion. So that argument falls flat on its face.

Second, instead of calling each other's religions cults and generally flaming each other, could we try to get along a little? Would that be too much to ask?

 

[S Walch]

where is the word of God you are talking about?

and where is your proof that Islam is a cult?

and why did you burn the Quran copy ? did the TRUTH bother that to that extent?

I have "many" versions of the Bible

he was making a joke...

doesn't carry that well on forums does it?

 

[bmoynihan]

Who are you to judge Islam this way?


I invite you to study the Holy Quran to see for yourself that IT has scientific material & prophecies that makes it insanity to think that a human being has written it.

Could you give us some examples of this Scientific Material and Prophecies?

Thanks

 

[muslimah.]

Could you give us some examples of this Scientific Material and Prophecies?

Thanks

http://www.beconvinced.com/SCIENCEINDEX.htm

http://www.islamonline.net/english/Quran/2004/07/article13.shtml

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/think786/DGE_prophecies_koran_quran.htm

You are welcome

 

[bmoynihan]

Not that impressive really!!

Makes me laugh that one site says that Islam will prevail against other religions and you see that as a proficy http://www.islamonline.net/english/Quran/2004/07/article13.shtml#03

Since when has 'Islam' in any way prevailed over others?

 

[tulc]

Since when has 'Islam' in any way prevailed over others?

You really should read some history, it's quite interesting.
tulc( )