Palestine

[ViaCrucis]

Anyone who describes Israel as 'occupiers' is not living in reality.

Israel has been a globally recognized independent Nation since 1948.

Palestine has never been more than a territory.

The UN mandate was to partition the territory into two states, a Jewish state and a Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as belonging to neither.

Yes, Israel is an occupying force, and the treatment of Palestinians--including your own fellow Christians--has been one of persecution and brutality.

Does that justify Hamas' actions? No.

But as I mentioned before, when it comes to Hamas and the Israeli government, there are no good guys. Just bad guys and their victims.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[honey badger]

 

[Always in His Presence]

I meant the causal factor of the whole ordeal. Is it not true that Israel initiated the violence first many many years ago and forced people out of their homes?

They don’t want land, they want the elimination of the Jews. Until that reality is addressed, there is no solution.

The UN mandate was to partition the territory into two states, a Jewish state and a Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as belonging to neither.

Yes, Israel is an occupying force, and the treatment of Palestinians--including your own fellow Christians--has been one of persecution and brutality.

Does that justify Hamas' actions? No.

But as I mentioned before, when it comes to Hamas and the Israeli government, there are no good guys. Just bad guys and their victims.

-CryptoLutheran

You are certainly entitled to your opinion

 

[truthpls]

Or what if they were simply allowed to return to the regions they were kicked out of and buy homes and vote?

Interesting concept

 

[ChurchBuilder]

They don’t want land, they want the elimination of the Jews. Until that reality is addressed, there is no solution.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion

I meant the causal factor of the whole ordeal. Is it not true that Israel initiated the violence first many many years ago and forced people out of their homes?

 

[honey badger]

 

[honey badger]

 

[honey badger]

 

[anetazo]

What happened to native Indians in America, is genocide. They do believe in God.
Israel has every right to defend itself.
Duertonmomy chapter 20 is laws for war.
Tiny Israel is judah. America is Israel. The lost tribes after assyria deported 720 bc. Went to Europe, England, Ireland and America.

Laws of war
Numbers 10:9
Duertonmomy chapter 20.
Matthew chapter 24:6
Duertonmomy chapter 23.

 

[ChurchBuilder]

What happened to native Indians in America, is genocide. They do believe in God.
Israel has every right to defend itself.
Duertonmomy chapter 20 is laws for war.
Tiny Israel is judah. America is Israel. The lost tribes after assyria deported 720 bc. Went to Europe, England, Ireland and America.

Laws of war
Numbers 10:9
Duertonmomy chapter 20.
Matthew chapter 24:6
Duertonmomy chapter 23.

God bless you. Factually speaking, according to documented UN accounts it was the Israeli government that initiated the violence First and have continued the offensive violence. Factually speaking it is Palestine in the defensive position. As aborhent as the latest actions of Palestine are against Israel, according to All Humans Rights groups, the actions are still in self-defense to the Israeli government's much worse actions against Palestine. I realize this may not be what you want to hear, but it is factual. I welcome and would appreciate it if you could show Facts to the contrary. May you be guided accordingly in God's Love, Peace, and Knowledge.

 

[partinobodycular]

As aborhent as the latest actions of Palestine are against Israel, according to All Humans Rights groups, the actions are still in self-defense to the Israeli government's much worse actions against Palestine. I realize this may not be what you want to hear, but it is factual.

That's ridiculous. It's impossible to establish first cause in situations like this. One side will point to what you did yesterday, to which the other side will point to what you did last week, and then last year, and then fifty years ago, and then a thousand years ago. There is no establishing which party is at fault because they're focused on their own suffering and not the other side's suffering.

But in this case the first step is ridiculously simple, put someone in charge of the Palestinians who'll recognize Israel's right to exist. That's it. And there I'm afraid the onus is squarely on the Palestinians.

 

[ChurchBuilder]

That's ridiculous. It's impossible to establish first cause in situations like this. One side will point to what you did yesterday, to which the other side will point to what you did last week, and then last year, and then fifty years ago, and then a thousand years ago. There is no establishing which party is at fault because they're focused on their own suffering and not the other side's suffering.

But in this case the first step is ridiculously simple, put someone in charge of the Palestinians who'll recognize Israel's right to exist. That's it. And there I'm afraid the onus is squarely on the Palestinians.

God bless you. Thank you for your comment.

It is very easy to find out the Initiator of Violence simply by reading the timeline of events on the UN's website as well as other websites of impartial researchers.

It seems clear that Israel initiated the violence back in the 1940s with the original occupation, however if you have any factual documentation to the contrary please post here.

 

[partinobodycular]

It seems clear that Israel initiated the violence back in the 1940s with the original occupation, however if you have any factual documentation to the contrary please post here.

Why are you designating that as the de facto flashpoint of the conflict? Was everything nothing but butterflies and sunshine before that? Are we to ignore the fact that immediately upon its creation an association of Arab countries tried to wipe Israel off the map? How convenient.

As I said, the answer is simple, place someone in charge of the Palestinians et al who'll recognize Israel's right to exist. If you can't do that then what's the point in trying to assign blame. Assigning blame isn't going to fix the problem, and neither is acquiescing to Palestinian demands without first guaranteeing that Israel isn't under the constant threat of being annihilated. Being oppressed or being annihilated, one of these is obviously the greater threat.

 

[ralliann]

I wonder what would happen if, O let's say Oklahoma, was given back to native Americans as a homeland.

This is twisted. I wonder what would happen if Oklahoman's Would declare Native Americans as occupiers of their land?

 

[ralliann]

Or what if they were simply allowed to return to the regions they were kicked out of and buy homes and vote?

call them occupiers of their land.

 

[Landon Caeli]

God bless you. Thank you for your comment.

It is very easy to find out the Initiator of Violence simply by reading the timeline of events on the UN's website as well as other websites of impartial researchers.

It seems clear that Israel initiated the violence back in the 1940s with the original occupation, however if you have any factual documentation to the contrary please post here.

How can that be?

Jews have always lived in Palestine. They lived with the Arabs under Ottoman rule... Together.

Unfortunately, for the Muslims, when the Ottomans were defeated after WW 1, and Muslims noticed that the Jews and the Ango-Saxon Brits (who replaced the Ottomans) were getting along, they became jealous.

The Muslims couldn't handle not being the dominating majority. And once they saw that the Jews who escaped Nazi Germany during the mid 1940's, were returning home with "new ideas" they didn't understand, they became aggressive.

And then these Jews that were all sitting there needed a government to build roads and hospitals, and other essentials for modern society... And then the Arab Muslims became violent.

 

[Landon Caeli]

But no, the Jews have always lived in Palestine. It's the Muslims who couldn't stand not being the dominating majority. It was the Muslims who became jealous racists.

 

[rjs330]

You trust the satanists who run the Israeli government?

As opposed to the satanists who run Palestine?

I think we evidence of your claim that the members of the Israeli government are satanists.

 

[rjs330]

The original Causal Factor is their stated purpose of eliminating the Jews.

Had been since day one. Has been publicly stated.

They TEACH their populace including the children to hate and kill the Jews. They do it in their schools and on their television and in their summer camps. The entire area is about death.

 

[rjs330]

The UN mandate was to partition the territory into two states, a Jewish state and a Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as belonging to neither.

And the Palestinians refused to accept the two states because they didn't want the Jews to have a state. It's almost funny that they chose not to have their own simply in order to try and deny the Jews theirs.

Yes, Israel is an occupying force, and the treatment of Palestinians--including your own fellow Christians--has been one of persecution and brutality.

No they are not. They have a state that is recognized as such. They lived there before and were granted statehood. The Palestinians could have had their own and they turned it down. That's in them for hating the Jews so much.

The Israeli's are not the bad guys. Are they squeaky clean? No. No government or state is. Never has been, never will be. But there is a clear distinction between brutal homicidal death lovers and everyone else who is not.