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Please look at your own timeline, and see the racism against Jews, right from the start..!

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Question: if a foreign state dictated that your home will soon be violently occupied by others against your will and you resisted, would your resistance be rooted in racism or against the violent occupation of your home?
I think if you analyze the problem objectively, look at total timeline (not just the 1930s), and look into the body count of this whole ordeal, it is obvious who the aggressor is. There are objective reasons why the UN, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch all have documented and reported the blatant apartheid being perpetrated upon Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli government.
Sorry, I just think people need to be careful with the word "Zionist"... I thought you used it in a negative or derogatory way, when you said that "pre-1948 Zionists engaged in violence" directly after stating that Israel was not the home of Jews from Germany.

The term has historically been used in a 'weaponized' way, and I thought you were using it that way, but I must have misinterpreted your intentions.
Any negativity toward "zionists" is self-directed due to the documented actions and violations of the israeli government who have perpetuated apartheid against non-zionists.
 
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Thank you for your comment.
Question: if a foreign state dictated that your home will soon be violently occupied by others against your will and you resisted, would your resistance be rooted in racism or against the violent occupation of your home?
Depends on who took it. Tell me who took the home, and I will blame that person, or politician, or law, or department.

...But what we see is people claiming that the Zionist Jews did it as a collective whole.

That's racism.

I think if you analyze the problem objectively, look at total timeline (not just the 1930s), and look into the body count of this whole ordeal, it is obvious who the aggressor is.

Your logic seems backwards, literally. You want me to look beyond the 1930's, at reactions that occured after the fact, and ignore root causes.

Exactly like the protesters who took to the streets on Oct. 8 did, complaining about Israel, so as to almost 'pull a curtain' over the horrific atrocities that happened just the day before.

Hmmm.. Also Like what happened in NY city, where people were pulling down posters of Israeli babies and elderly people taken hostage... Like as if it never happened... Instead, they would rather people focus on Israel instead. And forget about those babies.

But no, causes are very important. Not something we should simply forget.
Any negativity toward "zionists" is self-directed due to the documented actions and violations of the israeli government who have perpetuated apartheid against non-zionists.

Apartheid, zionists, non-zionists..... These are all buzz-words, much like propoganda.
 
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God Bless you Sir. I agree with you that they are subjective buzzwords, and so is the word "racism", but I do understand where you are coming from Brother.

First please realize, that so-called "races" according to skin color and religion were created by governments in order to create division and distrsction from the fact that We Are ALL Brothers & Sisters of One Creator.

This fact is proven by science as well as Scripture.

But to give your argument the credibility that it deserves My Brother, I would agree with you that the energy of those statements you cited from the '30s can be considered "racist".

And as we know from science and Scripture, For Every Action there is a reaction.

Actions contain the energy that is put into the material world, the world we see on the media screen, the world witnessed by our Brothers and Sisters who are chosen to be physically present living on the ground.

The words that you cited were reactions caused by the initial Actions of the Israeli government. This is factual.

According to God's Natural Law
Actions are far more important than words when it comes to measuring harm.

I am not discounting the mental anguish one feels when one allows those words into her/his consciousness, and for the Sisters and Brothers who do that, may they be healed and be grateful to God for not being physically harmed.

Physical Harm is much worse.
Physical Harm is measurable.
Physical Harm is caused by Action.

The Initial Action is what generates the Energy to cause all subsequent actions/reaction. This is factual.

Now I empathize with you and understand how fervent you are in your position here

Now I would like to point out that Most of the Jewish population disagrees

So this initial energy
Depends on who took it. Tell me who took the home, and I will blame that person, or politician, or law, or department.

...But what we see is people claiming that the Zionist Jews did it as a collective whole.

That's racism.



Your logic seems backwards, literally. You want me to look beyond the 1930's, at reactions that occured after the fact, and ignore root causes.

Exactly like the protesters who took to the streets on Oct. 8 did, complaining about Israel, so as to almost 'pull a curtain' over the horrific atrocities that happened just the day before.

Hmmm.. Also Like what happened in NY city, where people were pulling down posters of Israeli babies and elderly people taken hostage... Like as if it never happened... Instead, they would rather people focus on Israel instead. And forget about those babies.

But no, causes are very important. Not something we should simply forget.


Apartheid, zionists, non-zionists..... These are all buzz-words, much like propoganda.
God Bless you Sir. I agree with you that they are subjective buzzwords, and so is the word "racism", and I do understand your position.

First please realize, that so-called "races" according to skin color and religion were created by governments in order to create division and distraction from Fact#1: We Are ALL Brothers & Sisters of One Creator.

This fact is proven by science as well as Scripture.

Now I would agree with you that the energy of those statements you cited from the 1930s can be considered "racist".

But if we look at the Actions of the israeli gov in since the 1940s and in recent times, it is fact that independent credible sources have documented and reported the Israeli government's Actions are in violation of international law and human rights abuses that far outweigh racist words.

And as we know from science and Scripture, For Every Action there is a reaction.

Actions contain the energy that is put into the material world, the world we see on the media screen, the world witnessed by our Brothers and Sisters who are chosen to be physically present living on the ground.

According to God's Natural Law
Actions are far more important than words when it comes to measuring harm.

I am not discounting the mental anguish one feels when one allows those words into her/his consciousness, and for the Sisters and Brothers who do that, may they be healed and be grateful to God for not being physically harmed.

Physical Harm is much worse.
Physical Harm is measurable.
Physical Harm is caused by Action.

Now I empathize with you Brother and understand how fervent you are in your position, but it seems that you are not objectively looking at the whole picture.

Peace be with you.
 
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God Bless you Sir. I agree with you that they are subjective buzzwords, and so is the word "racism", but I do understand where you are coming from Brother.

First please realize, that so-called "races" according to skin color and religion were created by governments in order to create division and distrsction from the fact that We Are ALL Brothers & Sisters of One Creator.

This fact is proven by science as well as Scripture.

But to give your argument the credibility that it deserves My Brother, I would agree with you that the energy of those statements you cited from the '30s can be considered "racist".

And as we know from science and Scripture, For Every Action there is a reaction.

Actions contain the energy that is put into the material world, the world we see on the media screen, the world witnessed by our Brothers and Sisters who are chosen to be physically present living on the ground.

The words that you cited were reactions caused by the initial Actions of the Israeli government. This is factual.

According to God's Natural Law
Actions are far more important than words when it comes to measuring harm.

I am not discounting the mental anguish one feels when one allows those words into her/his consciousness, and for the Sisters and Brothers who do that, may they be healed and be grateful to God for not being physically harmed.

Physical Harm is much worse.
Physical Harm is measurable.
Physical Harm is caused by Action.

The Initial Action is what generates the Energy to cause all subsequent actions/reaction. This is factual.

Now I empathize with you and understand how fervent you are in your position here

Now I would like to point out that Most of the Jewish population disagrees

So this initial energy

God Bless you Sir. I agree with you that they are subjective buzzwords, and so is the word "racism", and I do understand your position.

First please realize, that so-called "races" according to skin color and religion were created by governments in order to create division and distraction from Fact#1: We Are ALL Brothers & Sisters of One Creator.

This fact is proven by science as well as Scripture.

Now I would agree with you that the energy of those statements you cited from the 1930s can be considered "racist".

But if we look at the Actions of the israeli gov in since the 1940s and in recent times, it is fact that independent credible sources have documented and reported the Israeli government's Actions are in violation of international law and human rights abuses that far outweigh racist words.

And as we know from science and Scripture, For Every Action there is a reaction.

Actions contain the energy that is put into the material world, the world we see on the media screen, the world witnessed by our Brothers and Sisters who are chosen to be physically present living on the ground.

According to God's Natural Law
Actions are far more important than words when it comes to measuring harm.

I am not discounting the mental anguish one feels when one allows those words into her/his consciousness, and for the Sisters and Brothers who do that, may they be healed and be grateful to God for not being physically harmed.

Physical Harm is much worse.
Physical Harm is measurable.
Physical Harm is caused by Action.

Now I empathize with you Brother and understand how fervent you are in your position, but it seems that you are not objectively looking at the whole picture.

Peace be with you.

In the beginning, the violence was initiated by the Islamic terrorists... The Black Hand, from 1930.

The ensuing militant campaign began with the ambush and murder of three members of Kibbutz Yagur, 11 April 1931, a failed bombing attack on outlying Jewish homes in Haifa, in early 1932, and several operations that killed or wounded some four members of northern Jewish settlements. It climaxed with the deaths of a Jewish father and son in Nahalal, from a bomb thrown into their home, on 22 December 1932.[3]
 
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Thanks for your response. Here is another wikipedia link which says the violence was started by zionists in 1892 . History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

Except the article doesn't say violence was started by zionists in 1892.

...You are aware that Jews began *purchasing* land in the late 1800's, aren't you? They were legal purchases, agreed upon by the seller, and the money was paid in full.

 
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Except the article doesn't say violence was started by zionists in 1892.

...You are aware that Jews began *purchasing* land in the late 1800's, aren't you? They were legal purchases, agreed upon by the seller, and the money was paid in full.

Much, much earlier.

The cave of Macpelah, see Genesis chapter 23
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Joseph's tomb Genesis 33:19.

The Temple Mount 1 Chronicles 21:25.

The second Temple was destroyed due to disunity among not so much the people but the leaders.
 
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Much, much earlier.


The Temple Mount 1 Chronicles 21:25.
That's interesting!

So the Temple Mount was originally purchased by King David, from a non-Jewish Jebusite named Ornan.

The Hebrew Bible contains the only surviving ancient text known to use the term Jebusite to describe the pre-Israelite inhabitants of Jerusalem
 
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What is fantastically not ironic, is that even in King David's time: 2 Samuel 5:6-10. 'The Jebusites protested against King David's arrival in Jerusalem"


....Just like today!
 
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Except the article doesn't say violence was started by zionists in 1892.

...You are aware that Jews began *purchasing* land in the late 1800's, aren't you? They were legal purchases, agreed upon by the seller, and the money was paid in full.

God bless you. 3 Facts:

1) What you wish upon others shall be done to you. Obviously you do not know the Golden Rule.

2) You must have missed these words on the wiki page: "the first recorded violent incidents between Arabs and the newly immigrated Jews in Palestine was the accidental shooting death of an Arab man in Safed, during a wedding in December 1882, by a Jewish guard of the newly formed Rosh Pinna"

3) And if you are going to go with the story that zionists "legally purchased" the land: a) Like any real estate purchase, current occupants with possession have rights, and b) the same "legal" authorities and many other human watch groups have declared Zionists as violators which is another fact you are avoiding.

Please try to look at this objectively without applying your obvious programmed bias. Very Clearly from a moral point of view the chaos was started by the zionists.

May you be guided accordingly.
 
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God bless you. 3 Facts:

1) What you wish upon others shall be done to you. Obviously you do not know the Golden Rule.

2) You must have missed these words on the wiki page: "the first recorded violent incidents between Arabs and the newly immigrated Jews in Palestine was the accidental shooting death of an Arab man in Safed, during a wedding in December 1882, by a Jewish guard of the newly formed Rosh Pinna"

3) And if you are going to go with the story that zionists "legally purchased" the land: a) Like any real estate purchase, current occupants with possession have rights, and b) the same "legal" authorities and many other human watch groups have declared Zionists as violators which is another fact you are avoiding.

Please try to look at this objectively without applying your obvious programmed bias. Very Clearly from a moral point of view the chaos was started by the zionists.

May you be guided accordingly.
Tell me which is a worse abomination to God, according to the bible... Zionism, or Islamism..?

...Please take into account that the shooting in Safed was an accident. Also, please take into account that those roaming the purchased land were nomadic shepherds, who lived wherever the animals went.
 
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Tell me which is a worse abomination to God, according to the bible... Zionism, or Islamism..?

...Please take into account that the shooting in Safed was an accident. Also, please take into account that those roaming the purchased land were nomadic shepherds, who lived wherever the animals went.
Blessings. Unfortunately the question you ask is subjective in nature. What is an "abomination" to some is the opposite for others, as well what is being called an "accident". Question: If the prior occupant of your current residence from ancient times shows up at your door, makes a biblical claim of immediate ownership, and wants to violently remove you, will you comply?
 
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Blessings. Unfortunately the question you ask is subjective in nature. What is an "abomination" to some is the opposite for others, as well what is being called an "accident". Question: If the prior occupant of your current residence from ancient times shows up at your door, makes a biblical claim of immediate ownership, and wants to violently remove you, will you comply?
I would have no choice but to comply if I were forced out by an army. Would I realtaliate by shooting some of them in the face the next day? Nope, wouldn't do that either.

Let me ask you one. What if the state wants to build a highway where your house is, and they force you out, or if you default on your mortgage, because you lost your job... Is it right to throw grenades into banks or Highway Department buildings when everyone's working?

Likewise, you can't say that stealing a pack of gum is equal to murder, because "both are wrong".
 
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I would have no choice but to comply if I were forced out by an army. Would I realtaliate by shooting some of them in the face the next day? Nope, wouldn't do that either.

Let me ask you one. What if the state wants to build a highway where your house is, and they force you out, or if you default on your mortgage, because you lost your job... Is it right to throw grenades into banks or Highway Department buildings when everyone's working?

Likewise, you can't say that stealing a pack of gum is equal to murder, because "both are wrong".
Blessings.
1) If the state wanted to build a highway thru my property, they would have to go thru eminent domain procedure and buy my property at market rate and I have the right to ask for more in court.

If the state did not do this procedure and applied unlawful violence to attempt to remove me, then in this hypothesis I could righteously defend myself family and property under any circumstances and use whatever force necessary to end the violence against me. Natural Law and human laws all support self defense.

2) Your hypothetical question regarding defaulting on my mortgage and loss of my employment, that would be my own doing and I would have no right to use physical force against anyone.

3) I never said or implied that stealing a pack of gum is equal to murder.

4) In regards to your answer saying you would give up your property under the threat of state violence, and you would not retaliate, that is your choice to fold and not defend yourself and property, but this choice does not validate the violence of the state.

Please realize and concede that your argument has zero moral validity.

Your argument is borne in the arena of political whims, violent government, and propaganda and would NEVER be approved by Jesus Christ.

I respectfully implore you to go in Peace and Apply the Golden Rule at All Times for All People.
 
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Your argument is borne in the arena of political whims, violent government, and propaganda and would NEVER be approved by Jesus Christ.
Islamic Jihad didn’t exist when Jesus was here with us. Which, for me, is likely the main reason why I am the way I am in regards to this, and other similar conflicts in the ME.

You see, Islam truly is a cancer in this world, according to my conscience. Worse than homosexuality, pornography, and many other sins. And while I sympathize with human life, I can never side with Islamists within the parameters of any conflict now, or forever more in the future.

Sorry for being entirely honest. But others are free to see things differently according to their own God given conscience.
 
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Islamic Jihad didn’t exist when Jesus was here with us. Which, for me, is likely the main reason why I am the way I am in regards to this, and other similar conflicts in the ME.

You see, Islam truly is a cancer in this world, according to my conscience. Worse than homosexuality, inappropriate contentography, and many other sins. And while I sympathize with human life, I can never side with Islamists within the parameters of any conflict now, or forever more in the future.

Sorry for being brutally honest. But others are free to see things differently.
Blessings. Hatred of others has been around before Christ.

You do not have to apologize for being honest regarding your hatred of others; we all at some point feel this emotion.

Yet you must realize your hatred is based in fear designed by a small 1% world ruling class. Fear of the images you see on the screen. Images which are designed and produced by the 1% to generate hate and keep the 99% People divided, so the 1% maintains control.

Once you turn the screen off and focus only on your own goals and your surroundings under your control, you shall regain perspective of what your reality is, and gratitude should fill your heart followed with love

The media is all about trauma-based programming to cause division and hate and fear. Mind control thru media is real and can be researched.

1 John 4:20
If anyone says I love God but hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

Peace be with you Brother
 
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Blessings. Hatred of others has been around before Christ.

You do not have to apologize for being honest regarding your hatred of others; we all at some point feel this emotion.

Yet you must realize your hatred is based in fear designed by a small 1% world ruling class. Fear of the images you see on the screen. Images which are designed and produced by the 1% to generate hate and keep the 99% People divided, so the 1% maintains control.

Once you turn the screen off and focus only on your own goals and your surroundings under your control, you shall regain perspective of what your reality is, and gratitude should fill your heart followed with love

The media is all about trauma-based programming to cause division and hate and fear. Mind control thru media is real and can be researched.

1 John 4:20
If anyone says I love God but hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

Peace be with you Brother
It's not the people that I hate, but rather Islam itself. It would be better to subscribe to New Age Spirituality, or even atheism than to Islam, IMO.

My conviction on this is irreversible... But still, I am capable of loving Muslims, aside from their beliefs. It's not their fault they were born into it.
 
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