Scotishfury09
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You should take it as he thinks there's no point to answering it.
How many times do we have to tell you? God did not physically punish the snake. It is a METAPHOR
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I take this question as that you do not know the answer of my question.
I am thinking about what is the actual punishment God gives to snake.
the dragon that told them that dragons are smartI suspect it's actually make-believe. That seems a bit more parsimonious then concluding that it was actually a dragon which had human-like vocal cords.
Besides, who says dragons are smart?
Admittedly, I don't know the answers to all your questions because I don't work on snake or lizard biology. Sometimes, I have to go look up the answer and spoon feed it to you.I take this question as that you do not know the answer of my question.
I am thinking about what is the actual punishment God gives to snake.
Why wasn't Eve surprised...[]...she was spoken to by a snake?[/quote]
FIRST:Because it didn't happen.
Second:
- Serpent: Hebrew = nachash = a shining one
- Numbers 21:6-9: fiery serpents = burning. Hebrew: nacheshim saraphim. This is the figure of speech known as Metonymy of effect, because the effect of the bite was a burning sensation. Hebrew, saraph. The Seraphim are so called in Isaiah 6:2 because they were burning ones: hence the name for these serpents, because they are shining ones in appearance.
- Genesis 3:1: The old serpent (2 Corinthians 11:3) was transformed as "an angel of light" = "a glorious angel (2 Corinthians 11:14).
- Genesis 3:1: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
- Isaiah 6:2: Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
- Numbers 21:6-9: And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
- II Corinthians 11:3: But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
- II Corinthians 11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
You should take it as he thinks there's no point to answering it.
How many times do we have to tell you? God did not physically punish the snake. It is a METAPHOR
I guess you are easily contented with a story.You should take it as he thinks there's no point to answering it.
How many times do we have to tell you? God did not physically punish the snake. It is a METAPHOR
You should be asking this of juvenissun. He's the one who brought it up. Scotishfury was only responding to what he said.By the way, where in the text does it say "punish?"
Again, it was a direct response to juvenissun. Not to the YEC paradigm as a whole (unless you think juvenissun speaks for you, too).Since you have no idea how to to make the literal application, you assume it can be rejected? That is not logic.
What do you find confusing about not taking the Creation story literally?The metaphor thing is not working for me. Sounds more like confusion to me.
The ancient near-Eastern Hebrew people weren't scientists. So you should try reading the story as they would have. Not as you, a self-professed scientist, think it should be read.I guess you are easily contented with a story.
I am not. As a scientist, I tend to analyze the story.
I guess you are easily contented with a story.
Usually I found some mistakes in ANY good story, simply because it is only a story.
God's words are not stories.
Since you have no idea how to to make the literal application, you assume it can be rejected? That is not logic.
The metaphor thing is not working for me. Sounds more like confusion to me.
And here is the bad theology coming out. Why do you insist that a story is "only" a story and not a well of wisdom and truth? Why do you insist that only science is a source of truth? That is worshipping science. That is making your faith dependent on science. You refuse to believe anything is truth unless science confirms it. You set science above God.
The problem is not that God's stories are stories, but that you have no respect for stories.
False pagan religions, cults, humanism, these all lead men astray from the truth of God and the saving grace of His Son, Jesus Christ. I can have no appreciation or respect for such. To be otherwise is to undermine that which by faith I hold paramount.Because I have strong faith to God, so I can be assure that any message in the Scripture MUST BE scientifically correct, even it does not make sense to us right now.
I agree.
I appreciate Koran. I also appreciate Confucius.
I do not agree.
I have been so accused many times in this forum. I am never convinced it is true. Of course I do not worship science. I said, no scientific understanding will last before God. My attitude is exactly the reverse. Because I have strong faith to God, so I can be assure that any message in the Scripture MUST BE scientifically correct, even it does not make sense to us right now.
any message in the Scripture MUST BE scientifically correct
Show me the laughing horses and donkeys. Show me the four-legged insects. Show me the pillars of the earth.
[/B] Job 39:5-7
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He laughs at fear, afraid of nothing;
he does not shy away from the sword.
Job 39:19-22
I Because I have strong faith to God, so I can be assure that any message in the Scripture MUST BE scientifically correct, even it does not make sense to us right now.
I wish I could say it is not true. But I think it is almost true, unfortunately. I have no real respect to any other writings except the Scripture. However, that does not mean I do not appreciate them. I appreciate Koran. I also appreciate Confucius. And I also appreciate the quite long abstract you wrote.
Just say "it is a metaphor" is simply saying: "I don't know, and I don't care."
Juvie AND Busterdog, do you think the donkey and horse are really laughing? If so, prove it.
Juvie, should I bring up the four-legged insects again?
Or how about the pillars of the earth?
As for horses laughing, this doesn't deserve much response. If you can't tell the difference in intent between Job and Leviticus, then there isn't much to discuss.
The first thing I would like here is your concession that Job is clear about invoking metaphor
I think the point is that juvenissun doesn't seem to be able to tell the difference in intent.
Fury shouldn't make that argument by confusing the intent for his own purposes.
What makes the passages in Job any more clear in invoking metaphor than the snake in Eden?
Why does metaphor work for you here and not in Genesis 3?
I have conceded that there are issues with clarity in Genesis -- whether you take it literally or metaphorically. This passage of Job is pretty clear.
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