Overweight

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

I agree. Have you heard the saying "it's the small foxes that spoil the vine?" What I discovered was it was the small things that you normally wouldn't think about that was causing the problem, it wasn't the three meals a day.

Yes, one rotten apple spoils the barrel. A little poison spoils the whole pie. A little yeast works into the lump.

 

[lyonguard]

I was hoping for more stories from WOF people who have struggled in this area and have achieved victory... or from those who have struggled and have NOT achieved victory.

Trish shared a great story... wonderful testimony of lining up with God's word and acheiving success!


Anyone else?

Is anyone else struggling?

I know some, in the past, have said they are currently wayyyy overweight... What do you do? How do YOU reconcile it with God and His Word?

Weight and gluttony is something I have never heard a church teach on. Bob Yandian and Kenneth Copeland have touched on the subject, but there has never been any serious teaching that I know of. Joyce Meyer has a book out, but I haven't read it so I can't say anything about it.

Also, I have never heard anyone say that God is dealing with them about their weight. You may hear them say that He told them to do such and such with their diet to help their health, but never about their weight, or at least I haven't heard it. It's almost like "if your heart doesn't condemn you...". Well, it's my clothes that condemn me!

 

[PastorJoey]

Hi DW,

In the first place, I never said that the Christian should live on junk food. I assuming that all of you here have common sense wisdom. I said that if eating a certain food bothers your conscience, then don't eat it.

You also said that it isnt what you are eating that is causing diseases, but what is eating you. Now I know that worry and fear are linked to disease, but do you really believe that certain types of foods and oils arent the direct cause of all sorts of heart disease and clogged arteries which lead to disease?

If you cannot believe that what you have prayed over is sanctified, and you fear that it will cause you to have heart disease and so on, then don't eat.

True but still, sanctified cholestrol is still cholestrol etc...

Because what finally condemns you is the sense of self-condemnation for having eaten, not the food in itself. IOW, if you believe it's bad stuff and you eat, then according to your faith...

What about all the people who die young of heart disease and never had a sense of condemnation for what they ate and never knew what they were eating was bad for them?

We are free in Christ. That freedom is what allows us to be Spirit-led. The removal of dietary laws and rules frees us, or more accurately frees the Spirit to lead us. How so? "If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." (Ga 5:18) The Spirit is inoperative when we follow laws. It is either one or the other, you cannot mix both.

You are right to say that we are no longer under the law or its curse I might add, but there is still Godly wisdom behind each and every command not to eat certain foods which were deemed unclean. Doctors today are confirming what was written in the bible thousands of years ago. No, we are not under the curse of the law, but many are under the curse their own foolishness brings upon them.

Its not what goes in through your mouth but what comes out through your heart that defiles. It's not what you eat but what's eating you

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I do like your catchy saying

However, Jesus was referring to spiritual defilement only, referring to the religious of that day who thought and taught that they were holy and worshipped God by the types of food they ate. They believed that the food they ate is what made them pure before God.

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man (Matthew 15:9-11).

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
(Romans 14:1-3)

This is not referring at all to proper & healthy dieting. It is referring to those who are weak in the faith, not those who are weak in their faith. Again it is referring to those who are refraining from certain foods for spiritual reasons and are decieved into thinking that it is bringing them closer to God. Paul says not to argue or judge them but receive such a one [a new convert fresh out from under the laws of Judaism]. Love them and allow time and the Holy Spirit to sort those issues out. God has received him.

Romans 14 continues to speak about ones spiritual walk with God.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. (Romans 14:5-6)

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. (Romans 14:13-14)

Again this is referring to causing a man to stumble in his or her spiritual walk with God any further than they already have by bringing judgement upon them. It is not referring to a physically healthy diet or eating the right foods for health purposes.

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure..... (Romans 14:17-20)

 

[msbojingles]

I haven't had a coke in five days

 

[PastorJoey]

I haven't had a coke in five days

I love a good coke every now and then. [My wife makes sure that it stays every now and then].

 

[Trish1947]

In the first place, I never said that the Christian should live on junk food. I assuming that all of you here have common sense wisdom.

I said that if eating a certain food bothers your conscience, then don't eat it.

If you cannot believe that what you have prayed over is sanctified, and you fear that it will cause you to have heart disease and so on, then don't eat.

Because what finally condemns you is the sense of self-condemnation for having eaten, not the food in itself. IOW, if you believe it's bad stuff and you eat, then according to your faith...

We are free in Christ. That freedom is what allows us to be Spirit-led. The removal of dietary laws and rules frees us, or more accurately frees the Spirit to lead us. How so? "If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." (Ga 5:18) The Spirit is inoperative when we follow laws. It is either one or the other, you cannot mix both.

Again, its not what goes in through your mouth but what comes out through your heart that defiles. It's not what you eat but what's eating you.

To eat or not to eat doesn't effect a persons liberty in Christ. A person is also set at liberty to lose weight. Not for the reason that they have a consciousness about what they eat. But having a desire to lose weight. I never once felt convicted by the Holy Spirit about what I ate. It had to do with what I desired. If at anytime I felt that I somehow was earning extra brownie points with God by getting some weight off, or eating only certain foods, I wouldn't have even considered it. What I am thankful for, is God giving me the wisdom to attain the goal. Nothing wrong in setting a goal that I knew was going to help me feel a whole lot better physically, and having God care enough about my desire, to see that I attain it.

 

[msbojingles]

I love a good coke every now and then. [My wife makes sure that it stays every now and then].

That's where I need to be. Up until now I've been a walking coca cola.

 

[sparrow700]

We need to pray that this farmer quits eating eggs and bacon everyday.. How in the world is he going to get on the plow?

love sparrow

 

[sparrow700]

oh dear..I hope you can see the special kitty.. i am not sure I posted that correctly.

 

[appleofhiseye]

oh dear..I hope you can see the special kitty.. i am not sure I posted that correctly.

I saw it, it worked, and it was very cute, too.
Thanks for the chuckle

 

[msbojingles]

We need to pray that this farmer quits eating eggs and bacon everyday.. How in the world is he going to get on the plow?

love sparrow

 

[J4Jesus]

Well I just bind those little cholestrol devils and cast the calories & fat out of my Pizza and eat drink and be merry cause you know what the bible says, All things are clean unto me.

Been there ..tried that ...It doesnt work

 

[franky67]

Been there ..tried that ...It doesnt work

Here's what works, three essentials of a weight loss diet, portions, portions, portions.

When they rescued the prisoners of the Nazi death camps, they found no one over weight.

 

[strikerchris0411]

Being overweight doesn't fit in, that is into my pants.

Being fat is a result of gluttony (the sin) and the medical problems associated with being fat certainly makes clear why gluttony is forbidden.

I don't know if i would agree with that statement completely. There are people that can eat all day every day, and thanks to their high metabolism still stay skinny. But a person, could have desert once a week, eat three health meals, and still get big. I can see where you are coming from, but I think it is bigger then just that

 

[ScottK]

Here's what works, three essentials of a weight loss diet, portions, portions, portions.

When they rescued the prisoners of the Nazi death camps, they found no one over weight.

They also found them completely malnourished.

 

[Christina M]

So, let's say you are a WOF believer and you are 60 pounds overweight...... because you eat more than you move ....

Do you feel bad about it?

Do you feel you let God down?

Do you do what you do in other areas of your life when you are out of His will - repent, get back on His way, stand in faith and do what He says to do?

Or, is it something that isn't that big of a deal to you since it isn't adultery, drunkeness, murder, etc?

It seems many just accept it and live with it, almost as if it isn't a big deal.

 

[united4Peace]

Who cares what a person weighs?
I think it starts with loving yourself..
this is the problem with society today.
Stupid believes that are so untrue...

Cant love ourselves unless we look a certain way...
Not good enough for God unless we look a certain way...

 

[strikerchris0411]

So, let's say you are a WOF believer and you are 60 pounds overweight...... because you eat more than you move ....

Do you feel bad about it?

Do you feel you let God down?

Do you do what you do in other areas of your life when you are out of His will - repent, get back on His way, stand in faith and do what He says to do?

Or, is it something that isn't that big of a deal to you since it isn't adultery, drunkeness, murder, etc?

It seems many just accept it and live with it, almost as if it isn't a big deal.

I think many people don't even look at it like a religous issue any more. I do think there are bigger things to worry about. But I don't know that if being overweight definently means you are a glutton

 

[strikerchris0411]

Who cares what a person weighs?
I think it starts with loving yourself..
this is the problem with society today.
Stupid believes that are so untrue...

Cant love ourselves unless we look a certain way...
Not good enough for God unless we look a certain way...

i don't think thats what they mean though.

 

[Trish1947]

So, let's say you are a WOF believer and you are 60 pounds overweight...... because you eat more than you move ....

Do you feel bad about it?

Do you feel you let God down?

Do you do what you do in other areas of your life when you are out of His will - repent, get back on His way, stand in faith and do what He says to do?

Or, is it something that isn't that big of a deal to you since it isn't adultery, drunkeness, murder, etc?

It seems many just accept it and live with it, almost as if it isn't a big deal.

I have to say that no, at the time I didn't feel like I had let God down, but that I was letting myself down. But I never felt that God was upset with me, because I was doing it in ignorance. You know, when your walking in the Spirit, it's pretty easy to ignore things that might be happening to your own body. And that is what I was doing.