Outranking Reality

[blarg the 2nd]

im just saiyng if god exists by itslef god is relaity if god creates somehting seprit from itslef reality then contains more then god

i dont mean that the figment of are imaginations exist out of are heads but that are imgnations themsleves exist as the part of are brains that create them thata re percpetion are made out of

like if you see a bulding in a video gmae its not a real bulding but the light you are seing exists the bits of your brian configured to percive it exist whatever neceasry eqipment operating in such a way to spit the patern of ligh you will interptet to look like a bulding exist and thats what that percpetion you have of said game vidoe game bulding is actuly made out of

of course an all knowing god would have no need to create anyitng seprti formtslef all that could ever be is allredy a aprt of it so we may jsut be a art of god any way

but then reality is = to god in that case as all that is is rleity and all that is would be god in such a case

 

[razeontherock]

You pretty much just defined pantheism. I, and several other Christians here, find that the Bible teaches panentheism. You might find it an interesting google search term?

 

[Tiberius]

AV, you want to define reality? Do you mean reality as "everything that is real and exists" or do you mean reality as "everything that was created by God"?

God is a part of the first reality (from a believer's point of view) by the first definition, but not by the second.

 

[variant]

AV, you want to define reality? Do you mean reality as "everything that is real and exists" or do you mean reality as "everything that was created by God"?

God is a part of the first reality (from a believer's point of view) by the first definition, but not by the second.

I don't think an alternative definition of reality can be reconciled.

This statement: "God is not part of reality." Is always going to be wrong for a believer. It is the sort of statement that only an atheist can make.

Definition of REALITY
1: the quality or state of being real
2a (1) : a real event, entity, or state of affairs <his dream became a reality> (2) : the totality of real things and events <trying to escape from reality>
b : something that is neither derivative nor dependent but exists necessarily
3: television programming that features videos of actual occurrences (as a police chase, stunt, or natural disaster) —often used attributively <reality TV>

 

[AV1611VET]

AV, you want to define reality? Do you mean reality as "everything that is real and exists" or do you mean reality as "everything that was created by God"?

God is a part of the first reality (from a believer's point of view) by the first definition, but not by the second.

I'm through with the inquistion on this reality junk.

Study the doctrine of transcendence; if you still don't understand, I can't help you.

God outranks reality -- not the other way around.

 

[AV1611VET]

Definition of REALITY

Now define TRANSCENDENT.

 

[variant]

Now define TRANSCENDENT.

Exceeding the ordinary limits.

Or do you mean beyond the material universe?

You do know that transcendent things are still part of reality right or they don't exist...

?

 

[AV1611VET]

Exceeding the ordinary limits.

Or do you mean beyond the material universe?

You do know that transcendent things are still part of reality right or they don't exist...

?

Here, let me help:

3 : transcending the universe or material existence

SOURCE

 

[variant]

Here, let me help:

3 : transcending the universe or material existence

SOURCE

Transcendence is defined as transcending?

Very interesting way to define things.

How and in what manner does transcendence go beyond the material universe?

Are you still under the impression that transcendent things (if such things do exist) go beyond reality?

Or have we cleared that up?

 

[razeontherock]

Back up a bit:

AV, you want to define reality? Do you mean reality as "everything that is real and exists" or do you mean reality as "everything that was created by God"?

How silly; you'll never arrive at decent conclusions, when you start with flawed premises. You've got Spiritual Truths, and physical manifestations of them.

IOW, heaven is above earth.

 

[variant]

How silly; you'll never arrive at decent conclusions, when you start with flawed premises. You've got Spiritual Truths, and physical manifestations of them.

IOW, heaven is above earth.

Or we could just make whatever metaphysical assertions we please.

 

[Tiberius]

I'm through with the inquistion on this reality junk.

Study the doctrine of transcendence; if you still don't understand, I can't help you.

God outranks reality -- not the other way around.

Geez, AV, I'm just asking you to clarify what you meant. What's with the persecution complex?

How silly; you'll never arrive at decent conclusions, when you start with flawed premises. You've got Spiritual Truths, and physical manifestations of them.

IOW, heaven is above earth.

And this does not answer my question at all. Oh, and since when is asking for clarification a flawed premise?

 

[razeontherock]

In my post #151, my quote of you shows your flawed premise.

 

[Tiberius]

What you quoted in posts 151 was me asking AV what he meant by "reality". Specifically, if he was using "reality" to refer to the things created by God, or if he was using "reality" to refer to all things that exist.

I fail to see how this is a flawed premise. I am asking for clarification. I am not making a statement.

 

[razeontherock]

Good. Post #151 gives the clarification. Let's see if AV contradicts it, clarifies it further, or what.

 

[AV1611VET]

What you quoted in posts 151 was me asking AV what he meant by "reality". Specifically, if he was using "reality" to refer to the things created by God, or if he was using "reality" to refer to all things that exist.

I fail to see how this is a flawed premise. I am asking for clarification. I am not making a statement.

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[Tiberius]

Good. Post #151 gives the clarification. Let's see if AV contradicts it, clarifies it further, or what.

No it doesn't.

Post 151 states that I am using a flawed premise when I was not stating a premise, I was asking a question.

There was no clarification at all in your post.

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Right. You know, you could have simply just said that. You do not consider God to be part of reality. You can't make anything easy, can you?

 

[razeontherock]

No it doesn't.

Post 151 states that I am using a flawed premise when I was not stating a premise, I was asking a question.

There was no clarification at all in your post.

There's plenty of clarification in that post, and AV agrees with it 100%. So much for your pet theory that Truth isn't knowable ...

Right. You know, you could have simply just said that. You do not consider God to be part of reality.

That's not at all what he said, so what good did it do to tell you?

 

[Nostromo]

I don't see how AV made it any more clear. In the post to which he linked he simply asks the question back:

If you want to call everything that exists "reality", then you're broadening the continuum to include God and angels, is that correct?

 

[razeontherock]

I don't see how AV made it any more clear. In the post to which he linked he simply asks the question back:

How convenient to skip over the rest of the content:

"That would mean that God is outside of, and independent of, the continuum (time, space, matter).

The continuum, as I have pointed out before, is a triad of triads:
time: past, present, future
space: length, width, height
matter: solid, liquid, gas
God is outside of, and not a part of any of this whatsoever.

If He was confined to His own continuum, then how can He be the Creator of everything?