Outranking Reality

[variant]

I'm not saying God is unreal, I'm saying He is outside of His creation.

Outside of reality is only unreality. In a seperate reality is still in reality.

And the fact that you are referring to God as "it" is a demonstration that He is indeed outside of your ability to detect Him.

No, it is a demonstration that I use the language to refer to objects as objects.

If God is not an object it dosen't exist.

Do you think God dosen't exist?

For the sake of putting this to rest, why don't we just consider the physical and the metaphysical?

Because you don't seem to understand those terms.

Otherwise, I'm forced to repeat that God is transcendent.

In what way? and why?

 

[variant]

Congratulations... you have just demolished the whole field of theology.

Not really, he has protected God forever from ever being analyzed or expected to show up and opened up metaphysics to say whatever he feels is convenient so that he can conclude whatever he wants from any given evidence.

I would say it's the crowning achievement of theology. A convienient and self fulfilling confirmation bias with no limitation.

 

[Freodin]

Not really, he has protected God forever from ever being analyzed or expected to show up and opened up metaphysics to say whatever he feels is convenient so that he can conclude whatever he wants from any given evidence.

I would say it's the crowning achievement of theology. A convienient and self fulfilling confirmation bias with no limitation.

That is the problem. He is "transcendent" and beyond logic. That means he can be and do whatever one might say, and it is right, even if it is wrong. He can tell the truth while lying, he can lovingly hate his own creation that he didn't create. He can act against his nature, because in doing so, he acts according to his nature. He can even exist while not existing.

If AV really accepted this claim, he would indeed have done away with theology. Of course, he doesn't. His God might be beyond logic... but he isn't beyond AV's rules.

 

[Tiberius]

Absolutely -- q.v. the Trinity.

Well, I'd really appreciate it if you would go and post this claim in THIS thread...

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, I'd really appreciate it if you would go and post this claim in THIS thread...

Done --

 

[Tiberius]

Thank you, and I have replied to it as well.

 

[Lillen]

I am not sure what you mean by the initial post AVVET?

 

[Tiberius]

it's just AV using technobabble. Sounds impressive, means very little. Don't worry.

 

[razeontherock]

"His purpose" is indistinguishable from man's purpose.

This thread seems to have quickly devolved past the point of deserving participation, but this bit of disinformation needs to be addressed.

You are a complete stranger to perhaps the biggest concept in the entire Bible, that of Spirit vs flesh.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am not sure what you mean by the initial post AVVET?

In other words, can God perform miracles?

 

[cupid dave]

Can God outrank reality?

Reality is our God.

You are crazy if you live outside that "church."


The Bible tells us that the son of Reality is The Truth, and the way men must live their life.
The Bible tells us that almighty Reality is jealous of fantasy worlds men create to live inside.

 

[Gracchus]

Can God outrank reality?

Not if god is real.

 

[razeontherock]

Not if god is real.

I like that! Since G-d is real, miracles don't outrank reality, they're part of reality.

 

[Gracchus]

Since G-d is real, miracles don't outrank reality, they're part of reality.

I know you (probably) believe that. But, based on previous posts, I have determined that you are (probably) wrong about anything you say on the subject. I can trust neither your judgments to be accurate nor your reasoning to be rigorous.

 

[razeontherock]

And herein you are demonstrating poor judgment.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

I know you (probably) believe that. But, based on previous posts, I have determined that you are (probably) wrong about anything you say on the subject. I can trust neither your judgments to be accurate nor your reasoning to be rigorous.

I too, share this sentiment.

 

[razeontherock]

What, no mention of elderberries?

 

[blarg the 2nd]

i vote no god is either a a part of reality if anything exists besides god or reality itself if he is the only thing there im not sure what is meant by out rank though

 

[blarg the 2nd]

though if god is just in are heads...no in a way are perceptions of god would be a part of reality as well

 

[razeontherock]

Blarg, you first posited that G-d must be physical, and then that our imaginations are just as real as physical existence. Neither one of these is what people usually refer to by the word "God." (Just to make sure you know)