Other Sheep

gomerian said:

Judah/Benjamin is definitely not included in "this fold."

Matthew 27:25 "Then answered all the people, and said, His blood [be] on us, and on our children." [All the people.]

Matthew 21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." [The chief priests and Pharisees, and the people they have influenced.]

Matthew 23:37-38 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. [All of the people who lived in Judah/Benjamin.]

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Seems, that in order to make your point, you cut off the next verse, UNTIL - Which means that Judah needs to be collectively back in the Land to say.

Baruch haba B'Shem YHWH, Adonai YESHUA Mashiach

And they Are, Just as prophesied in Zechariah 12

For I say unto you, You shall not see Me henceforth, until you shall say, Blessed is He that cometh in the Name of the Adonai. Matthew 23:39

Seems that you are on the side of all those coming against Judah and Jerusalem - and without fail, everyone who makes this argument leaves off verse 39, as it destroys their reasoning.

gomerian said:

According to BABerean2, everyone, always and forever,

1. has a pantheon of gods,
2. covers every wall with idols,
3. takes the authority of the LORD falsely,
4. works everyone like a dog on Sabbath,
5. Pharisees both father and mother,
6. murderes human beings,
7. apostacizes/adulterizes,
8. robs their neighbors blind,
9. lies to put people in jail,
10. wants everyone else's everything.
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I seriously don't want to live anywhere near anyone
who thinks any part of that is even a little bit OK.

--The False Prophet breaks #3.



Seriously?

John 15:10 "If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love; even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love." [John 12:49-50 "For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak."

John 5:46 "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed Me: for he wrote of Me." [John 6:44-45 No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, "And they shall be all taught of God." Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned from the Father, cometh unto Me.]



One man's obsolete is another man's song.

Revelation 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous [are] Thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true [are] Thy ways, thou King of saints. [The Song: Deuteronomy 32:1-44]

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Gomer,

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

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Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

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SonOfZion said:

So, when do you expect these non-believing Jewish people to return to their homes, and then look upon YESHUA?

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The Jews have returned to a part of the holy Land. They face the forthcoming Judgement that will strike all the world, but especially the Middle East, virtually depopulating that entire area and only a remnant of Christian Jews will survive. Romans 9:27, Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4, Amos 2:4-5, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 12:14 and your prophecy in Zechariah 12 says that only a few families will see Jesus Return. Zechariah 13:7-9 again states how Judah will be Judged.

keras said:

The Jews have returned to a part of the holy Land. They face the forthcoming Judgement that will strike all the world, but especially the Middle East, virtually depopulating that entire area and only a remnant of Christian Jews will survive. Romans 9:27, Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4, Amos 2:4-5, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 12:14 and your prophecy in Zechariah 12 says that only a few families will see Jesus Return. Zechariah 13:7-9 again states how Judah will be Judged.

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Are the people who are living in Israel now, the Torah keeping Jews, that despise the NWO scum in Tel Aviv, that pray twice daily for the return of the 10 northern tribes, Amidah prayer Number 10, Do they have a chance of being among the few?


And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

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The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

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All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

Since there in your words only going to be a "Few" not enough to be significant as to matter...,. YHWH should have not even mentioned It.

Your minimization has not gone unnoticed

How many will be left of the nations that come against Judah and Jerusalem - a Few, none, not enough to matter

Now Mr Keras, Explain Zion which must be built before YESHUA Appears in His Glory - When Ephraim will no longer envy Judah, and Judah not vex Ephraim -

What is Zion? Psalms 102:16, Titus 2:13

Jeremiah 50:4 The House of Judah in the USA, 41%, In Israel 42%

In a earlier post in this thread you said only the Christian Jews would escape, Now you speak for YHWH, He will pardon them whom He reserves

Jeremiah 50:4
In those days, and in that time, saith YHWH, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek YHWH their Elohim.


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In those days, and in that time, saith YHWH, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.



Saved - Blood on the Doorposts

Instructions - Written on Stone

Saved - The Blood of the Lamb

Instructions - Written upon hearts of flesh

Do you delight to do His Will, Is His Torah Written upon your heart?

gomerian said:

You're new here, so you probably haven't read all of the times that I haven't left it off... BTW, the word translated as "Lord" isn't adonai, it's kurios... which actually means King in the Greek. Isaiah 28:11 says that God would speak to this people in another language, which is fulfilled by Jesus, speaking to them in Greek.

Nor do I need to add that verse on, since the Pharisee leaders haven't recognized Jesus as the King of Israel... and they certainly won't allow their captive herd to do so. Until the Pharisees run for the hills, Judah en masse is still at their mercy. Which is exactly why John told them to their faces that they were fleeing, like the poisonous serpents they so obviously are, from the damage they will, at that time, be clearly seen to have caused.

If anyone has a right to be irrate, it is certainly all of those who've been fed the leavening of the Pharisees ad nauseam, and very little whole bread of Life is left, because of the scraps they've dissected it into with their poisonous Talmud. I think you can fully expect more than a few 10-tribed-Israelites to be in the hordes that want Babylon to be recompensed double. After all, that is what the Revelation of Jesus tells us to want, and we are His sheep, so we hear His voice, and we do what He tells us to do.



I lack the energy to reconcile that, with the Revelation of Jesus.

For all of what God owns to belong to Judah/Benjamin, Israel would have to have ceased to exist. I understand why Judah/Benjamin wishes that were so. But it's not. In fact, the Divided Kingdom is still in effect, in which Judah only had the crown until Jesus came as Shiloh. The land belongs to 10-tribed-Israel. I'm doubting that very many of them would be allowed onto their own land, since I see quite a few reasons to doubt it, in the Prophets.

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The Hebrew word Adonai is translated in the Septuagint by the Greek word Kurios. But Kurios is also used to translate the Hebrew tetragrammaton YHWH

John 20:28 o Kurios mu kai o Theos mu

The Adonai of me and the Elohim of me

29 Blessed are those that have not seen and believe.

Done

gomerian said:

In which OT book did Moses say that?
Does anyone know? Because I cannot find it anywhere.

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Gomer,

The scriptural reference in the NKJV for Hebrews 12:21, is Deuteronomy 9:19.


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SonOfZion said:

Since there in your words only going to be a "Few" not enough to be significant as to matter...,. YHWH should have not even mentioned It.

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There are about 20 million people in the world who call themselves Jewish. The remnant of them that will be saved, Romans 9:27, Isaiah 4:3-4,+, must be at least 24,000 to fulfil Revelation 7:5 and 8b. My guess is to double that; say 50,000, some in Jerusalem, the rest around the world.
This means only .05% of the Jews alive today will join with their brethren, the House of Israel; now all the Christian peoples.

keras said:

There are about 20 million people in the world who call themselves Jewish. The remnant of them that will be saved, Romans 9:27, Isaiah 4:3-4,+, must be at least 24,000 to fulfil Revelation 7:5 and 8b. My guess is to double that; say 50,000, some in Jerusalem, the rest around the world.
This means only .05% of the Jews alive today will join with their brethren, the House of Israel; now all the Christian peoples.

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What percentage of those who come against Judah's right to Jerusalem will be saved.

0%

Joel 3:1
For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

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I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat (YAH Judges), and will plead with them there for My people and for My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted My land.

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The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have you sold unto the Grecians (Democracy), that you might remove them far from their border.

The majority of the nations have already democraticlly voted to part His land into two states, first mentioned officially anywhere as a solution by g w bush in 2002

The Covenant of Death will be annulled. Isaiah 28:18

Ezekiel 36:5
Therefore thus saith Adonai YHWH; Surely in the fire of My jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the nations, and against all (Edom)Idumea, which have appointed My land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.

Who are the edomites in YAH's eyes?

Mr Keras, Do the Jewish people have a right to their Inheritance - Are all other nations that YAH sets the boundaries and time of their borders illegitimate also. Acts of the Apostles 17:26

Since their returning in part, and being there now, has this been the orchestration of men or was YHWH Involved?

SonOfZion said:

Mr Keras, Do the Jewish people have a right to their Inheritance

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Read the Parable of the Tenants of the vineyard. Matthew 21:33-46

SonOfZion said:

Since their returning in part, and being there now, has this been the orchestration of men or was YHWH Involved?

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Both, it is God's purpose to have a visible Israel in the land, while He works with the real Israel of God, still scattered among the nations. They are every faithful Christian believer.

Realize this; there is only one people of God; those that believe in God and keep the Commandments and those who don't. John 10:16, Ephesians 4:4-6, Romans 2:10-11
Ethnicity has no value, the Promises of God to His people were always to the faithful ones, those who revolt and rebel die in the desert. Ezekiel 20:38, Ezekiel 21:1-7, +

And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons (Moedim), and for days, and years: Genesis 1:14
Moedim - YHWH's Appointed Times - Seasons

LXX Greek Septuagint - Genesis 1:14 Seasons (kairos)

But of the times and the seasons (kairos) , brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 1 Th 5:1

He appointed the moon for seasons (Moedim): the sun knoweth his going down. Psalms 104:19

It Seems that the Thessalonians had been taught about YHWH's appointed Times, and they knew what was meant by different Hebrew idioms, that the church thinks has passed away.

OY VEY

One of the notions that need to be get dispelled is that the day and hour of His Second coming can not be known.

Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Revelation 3:3

Pretty Clear, YESHUA says, If you do not watch, you will not Know the hour

Watch and pray always that you may be accounted worthy of escape, In one of the Assemblies of Zion

And Be Among The Living In Jerusalem that shall be Shouting as He returns Baruch haba b'Shem YHWH, Adonai YESHUA Mashiach

but but, YESHUA said no man can know the day of His second coming.

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only. Matthew 24:35-36

Heaven and earth shall pass away: but My Words shall not pass away.
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:31-32

How is it? that there are so many that use these verses as anything other than what YESHUA said, the day and hour that heaven and earth will pass away is known only to the Father - Which occurs at the end of the Day of YHWH, The 1000 year reign of the King of kings on the earth.

His Coming as a thief is upon those who are not watching, Haven't a clue what they should be watching out for

How are those accounted worthy going to escape the Great Tribulation, Jacob's Trouble, The Dark and Cloudy day, which begins the Day of YHWH, the Period of Time that John saw, when He was in the Spirit on that Day - He saw a thousand year span, from the time of trial until the new heavens and earth - The Day of YHWH

And YHWH will create upon every dwelling place of Mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence (Chuppah). Isaiah 4:5

According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him Marvellous Things. Micah 7:15 (Jeremiah 30:7 ....He shall be saved out it)

Ezekiel 20:33-49 As I Live, saith Adonai YHWH ... Ezekiel 34:12 ... so will I seek out My sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered In the cloudy and dark day.

And Saviours shall come up on Mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be YHWH's. Obadiah 1:21

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Zion, and with him an Hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's Name written in their foreheads. Revelation 14:1

Remember Lot's wife.

Before the door is shut

Therefore, behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that it shall no more be said, YHWH Liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

But, YHWH Liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither He had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers. Jeremiah 16:14-15

Here Paul is writing to those in Corinth who were formerly of the nations, but have become Citizens of Israel - Ephesians 2:11-12 - Galatians 3:29 w/ Isaiah 41:8

That it was their fathers as well as his " All Our" fathers that came out of Egypt.

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 1 Corinthians 10:1

When? Unless those Days are shortened?


8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this One thing, that One Day is with YHWH as a Thousand Years, and a Thousand Years as One Day.... 9 ....

10 But the Day of the Adonai will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:8,10

Peter is perfectly clear, Don't be without knowledge about this one thing, that One Day is a Thousand years to YHWH

but the Day of YHWH (A Thousand years) in the which, at the end, the heavens and earth are burned.

Hosea 5:15 (The last verse of the chapter)

I will go and return to My place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My face: in their affliction they will seek Me early.

The speaker in Verse 15 is YHWH

When did YHWH leave His Place?

Who, *Being in the form (Morphe) of Elohim (Theos), thought it not robbery to be equal with EL: *(Present Active Participle)

But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Philippians 2:6-7

What was the Offense

And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the Time of thy visitation. Luke 19:44

How Long did He say that He would be gone?

Hosea 6:2
After Two Days (2000 years) He will revive us: in The Third Day(Millennium) He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.

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And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, YHWH of Hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot)

And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, YHWH of Hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. Zechariah 14:16-17

And He shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Isaiah 2:4


And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: Matthew 25:32

Those that escape will know the hour of His Second Coming, which shall occur on His appointed Time Of ~ Yom Teruah ~ In some future year. It is the only One of the Seven feasts that the day can not be set in Advance, as it it dependent upon the New Moon being sighted in Israel. - Now most of Judaism goes by calendars that were set years in advance for Appointed times and use the Conjunction of the moon, and not the Sighting of the Moon... And they were off by a day again this year in keeping the Passover.

And His people will still be keeping/guarding/honoring His appointed times during the Millennium.

gomerian said:

So? The verse came from the New Testament, not the old. There have already been cartloads of pseudotranslation. Why add more?

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No reason

Baruch HaShem!

Zephaniah 3:9 For then I will turn the people to a pure Language, That they may Call upon The Name of YAHUWAH, To Serve Him with one consent.

hey Gomie, hope you don't mind if I call you that

Did you know that the preceding verse

Zephaniah 3:8

Is The Only Verse in the Entire Hebrew Bible with All 22 Hebrew Letters an 5 final forms, sofits

Do you believe that the Almighty, Infinite in understanding is not trying to tell you something?

How do you study the Bible seriously without getting into the original languages?