Other religions

[arunma]

I like to study islam but I don't think judaism is false exactly, they just have a differant interpretation of the scriptures.

Personally I think that any religion which denies Jesus is false. And since Judaism denies him to an even greater extent than Islam, I suppose this means that Judaism has even fewer elements of truth. That said, Judaism is still an interesting religion, and they seem to have developed a good moral code.

 

[BourbonFromHeaven]

I like to study islam but I don't think judaism is false exactly, they just have a differant interpretation of the scriptures.

Given Jewish and Christian ideas of God, Salvation, etc are considerbly different, I can see why Arunma made this statement.

 

[arunma]

Given Jewish and Christian ideas of God, Salvation, etc are considerbly different, I can see why Arunma made this statement.

Thank you, actually that's precisely why I made the statement. I think that we all need to realize that Judaism isn't "Christianity minus Jesus."

 

[gwenmead]

Bronze age religions of all kinds. And Neolithic religions. I like studying them because the farther back in time you go, the more holes there are in the archaeological & historical record - it gets to a point of intelligent guesswork and lots of interesting theories. It exercises my brain.

 

[satay]

I'll be including ISKCON as well.

cool. I am not hare krishna or iskconite but I do visit some websites.

satay

 

[urnotme]

Personally I think that any religion which denies Jesus is false. And since Judaism denies him to an even greater extent than Islam, I suppose this means that Judaism has even fewer elements of truth. That said, Judaism is still an interesting religion, and they seem to have developed a good moral code.

Islam acknowledges Isa the prophet who they call Jesus the christ. I don't think they acknowledge Jesus. Not the Jesus that we acknowledge.

 

[arunma]

Islam acknowledges Isa the prophet who they call Jesus the christ. I don't think they acknowledge Jesus. Not the Jesus that we acknowledge.

Perhaps. But to me, this is far more preferable than a religion which claims to think nothing of Jesus.

 

[InnerPhyre]

I dunno arunma....I tend to think of Judaism in a more favorable light. They just missed the train when it comes to Jesus. Islam was founded by Satan to destroy the work that Jesus accomplished. According to Muslims, you will burn in hell forever....period. The only thing that can keep you in hell forever according to them is the only thing that we know can save us....believing the true message of Jesus.

 

[Talmidah]

I think that we all need to realize that Judaism isn't "Christianity minus Jesus."

I am in complete agreement

 

[BourbonFromHeaven]

I dunno arunma....I tend to think of Judaism in a more favorable light. They just missed the train when it comes to Jesus. Islam was founded by Satan to destroy the work that Jesus accomplished. According to Muslims, you will burn in hell forever....period. The only thing that can keep you in hell forever according to them is the only thing that we know can save us....believing the true message of Jesus.

I could have sworn, that I have been told more then once by Christians of various denomnations that I am indeed hell bound, unless I accept Jesus into my heart and finally see him as the messiah.

 

[urnotme]

Thank you, actually that's precisely why I made the statement. I think that we all need to realize that Judaism isn't "Christianity minus Jesus."

I think that is precisely what it is.

 

[InnerPhyre]

I think that is precisely what it is.

Far from it. Do you follow the Torah?

 

[BourbonFromHeaven]

Far from it. Do you follow the Torah?

Awesome reasponse. Could not have said it better myself.

 

[arunma]

I dunno arunma....I tend to think of Judaism in a more favorable light.

I view Jews and their culture in a highly positive light. My contention is exclusively with the religion of Judaism. We are talking about the Jewish religion, right?

They just missed the train when it comes to Jesus.

"Missed the train?" Jesus is everything to the follower of God. What gain is it to believe in God, the Law, and the message of the prophets if you reject their ultimate purpose in Christ? All of that is meaningless without Jesus, and it won't lead to salvation.

Islam was founded by Satan to destroy the work that Jesus accomplished.

I don't know about that. Yes, Islam destroyed many Christian nations, but at least it caused a group of Arabic pagans to worship God and know something about the message of Jesus. In essence, it has had mixed consequences. If you ask me, religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and European paganism are the true religions of Satan. But that's another story.

Now as for Judaism, it includes many works that are not of God, including the Talmud and the writings of the rabbis. Personally I think that all of these works came from the same place as the Qur'an (whether that means the devil or not is up to you).

According to Muslims, you will burn in hell forever....period. The only thing that can keep you in hell forever according to them is the only thing that we know can save us....believing the true message of Jesus.

Actually, I think they say that Trinitarian Christians are capable of reaching the lowest level of heaven after some time in hell. But I'm not sure.

 

[arunma]

I think that is precisely what it is.

Ever read the Talmud? It claims that Jesus was the illegitimate child of Mary and a Roman soldier, that he told the people to worship false gods, and that he was stoned to death by the Sanhedrin. This is one of many reasons that I don't think there is any divine aspect to the Jewish religion.

 

[vajradhara]

What is your favorite religion to study other than your own. If you are not allowed to study or understand other religions because your religion forbids it, please do not jump down my throat for asking the question. The question was not directed at you then.

Namaste Maize,

i actually practice another tradition besides my own... they "overlap" a great deal in many aspects.

the other tradition i practice is Tao. in particular, the Northern Complete Reality school of Spiritual Alchemy.

what do you like to study besides your own tradition, providing that you have one?

metta,

~v

 

[InnerPhyre]

I view Jews and their culture in a highly positive light. My contention is exclusively with the religion of Judaism. We are talking about the Jewish religion, right?



"Missed the train?" Jesus is everything to the follower of God. What gain is it to believe in God, the Law, and the message of the prophets if you reject their ultimate purpose in Christ? All of that is meaningless without Jesus, and it won't lead to salvation.



I don't know about that. Yes, Islam destroyed many Christian nations, but at least it caused a group of Arabic pagans to worship God and know something about the message of Jesus. In essence, it has had mixed consequences. If you ask me, religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and European paganism are the true religions of Satan. But that's another story.

Now as for Judaism, it includes many works that are not of God, including the Talmud and the writings of the rabbis. Personally I think that all of these works came from the same place as the Qur'an (whether that means the devil or not is up to you).



Actually, I think they say that Trinitarian Christians are capable of reaching the lowest level of heaven after some time in hell. But I'm not sure.

The Muslim view of Jesus is totally useless. Respecting Jesus as a prophet and then rejecting everything He ever said is not respecting Him at all. The Arab pagans were better off pagans. Islam poisons the message of Christianity. Those Arab pagans might have one day come to follow Jesus. Instead, they followed a religion set up to prevent people from following Jesus's true message. As for reaching heaven, no, you will burn in hell forever. Worshipping Jesus is shirk...the worst crime in Allah's eyes.

 

[BourbonFromHeaven]

Ever read the Talmud? It claims that Jesus was the illegitimate child of Mary and a Roman soldier, that he told the people to worship false gods, and that he was stoned to death by the Sanhedrin. This is one of many reasons that I don't think there is any divine aspect to the Jewish religion.

Better question, can you even read the Talmud? Or understand it's method of discovering theoloigcal truths?

To answer your question, No. That isn't the Jesus. The two characters might have shared a common name ( That of Joshua was/is a very common name ) and some similiarties, but it ends there and in the big picture, the two persons have little in common

Pablo Christani tried to use this very story in his famous debate with Nahmanides in 1263. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now.

 

[InnerPhyre]

And when I said that the Jewish faith "missed the train" with Jesus, what I meant is that it started out on track, and missed the Messiah who would be the fulfillment of the faith. Judaism wasn't created in an attempt to destroy Christianity. It was created by God and brought forth our Lord and Savior. Then it went straight when it should have hung a right

Islam on the other hand is a response to Christianity. Its purpose is to attack Christ.

 

[arunma]

And when I said that the Jewish faith "missed the train" with Jesus, what I meant is that it started out on track, and missed the Messiah who would be the fulfillment of the faith. Judaism wasn't created in an attempt to destroy Christianity. It was created by God and brought forth our Lord and Savior. Then it went straight when it should have hung a right

I think the difference here is that I distinguish between modern Judaism, and the religion of the Israelites, which had its ultimate fulfillment in Christ Jesus. My big theological issue here is that one cannot claim the salvific nature of Christ's blood, while simultaneously claiming that Jews (but not Gentiles) can be saved without believing in Jesus.

Islam on the other hand is a response to Christianity. Its purpose is to attack Christ.

But with all due respect, why then does paragraph 842 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church say that Muslims follow in the faith of Abraham?