Ostrich wings, Intelligent design. Goofed up?

[BNR32FAN]

I believe it was a four-legged animal, because of this passage:

Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

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Possibly a red dragon beast.

Hadn’t thought of that. I always pictured the serpent as a snake but this is an interesting take on the passage in light of the passages in Revelation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hadn’t thought of that. I always pictured the serpent as a snake but this is an interesting take on the passage in light of the passages in Revelation.

I'm just putting two and two together and trying to come up with a scenario.

 

[FredVB]

In Revelation it is ahown it is Satan the adversary who is the serpent of old. Serpents include snakes, but not all serpents need to be snakes, serpents are creatures that are serpentine, like sea serpents, and dragons can be serpents. It was no mere animal but a manifestation of the tempter which was the serpent in Eden.

The old earth that preceded God's creation week was the unformed world, the planet that would be made as the world it would be.

 

[The Barbarian]

I kind of lost track of this particular conversation, but I believe it's up to the individual to decide which parts of the bible they consider literal, figure of speech, allegory, poetic, stories, etc.

The question I have is do you, and some others, view a literal interpretation of, say Genesis, unacceptable?

It doesn't matter. Salvation does not depend on how you think God creates things. Putting your particular interpretation forward as God's word and a salvation issue, might be problematic for you at judegement.

 

[FredVB]

It is the case that teachers will all be accountable for how much they adhered to what is truth. Salvation is only what God makes possible with our response having repentant faith turning from the life with sin to be restored to God through what Christ accomplished with the atonement, to then grow as we are enabled with spiritual fruit to do things God would have us do. Since the Bible shows us things we should know, trust in what we find is told to us in it is really of great value. There are things we will get wrong though not realizing it, like eschatology, but that is not what salvation depends on. Origins are pretty clear, Jesus Christ spoke with having the account of the origin as basis, and it is just the conclusions of scientists that give believers some second thoughts to interpret passages a different way, that still is not anything salvation would depend on. But there is need to understand there was the fall, there is sin and repentance and restoration is needed. That is relevant to coming to salvation God is providing.

 

[FredVB]

The topic about ostrich wings is showing some ignorance, in the way of any vestigial organs. There is assumption things are not useful to the organism, but more is constantly found out where unknown uses are realized.

 

[Larniavc]

In Revelation it is ahown it is Satan the adversary who is the serpent of old. Serpents include snakes, but not all serpents need to be snakes, serpents are creatures that are serpentine, like sea serpents, and dragons can be serpents. It was no mere animal but a manifestation of the tempter which was the serpent in Eden.

The old earth that preceded God's creation week was the unformed world, the planet that would be made as the world it would be.

What does that have to do with ostrich wings?

 

[Larniavc]

The topic about ostrich wings is showing some ignorance, in the way of any vestigial organs. There is assumption things are not useful to the organism, but more is constantly found out where unknown uses are realized.

So why did the evolution of the ostrich occur?

 

[River Jordan]

The topic about ostrich wings is showing some ignorance, in the way of any vestigial organs. There is assumption things are not useful to the organism, but more is constantly found out where unknown uses are realized.

FYI "vestigial" does not mean useless. It refers to something that's reduced in form and/or function from an earlier state. A lot of people make this mistake.

 

[AV1611VET]

So why did the evolution of the ostrich occur?

No evolution.

They were created that way.

Job 39:13 Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks? or wings and feathers unto the ostrich?

From Adam Clarke's Commentary:

Though the wings of the ostrich, says he, cannot raise it from the ground, yet by the motion here alluded to, by a perpetual vibration, ... they give it a rapidity of running beyond that possessed by any other animal in the world.

Note: This is a repeat of Post 20.

 

[FredVB]

FYI "vestigial" does not mean useless. It refers to something that's reduced in form and/or function from an earlier state. A lot of people make this mistake.

It matters that everything is really functional, whether we know it or not.

 

[AV1611VET]

It matters that everything is really functional, whether we know it or not.

Indeed!

 

[DamianWarS]

I believe it was a four-legged animal, because of this passage:

Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

It seems like an explicit example of theistic evolution taking place

 

[AV1611VET]

It seems like an explicit example of theistic evolution taking place

So you believe in evolution from a single individual?

 

[DamianWarS]

So you believe in evolution from a single individual?

I believe God has control over every change.

 

[AV1611VET]

I believe God has control over every change.

Good or bad?

 

[DamianWarS]

Good or bad?

not my call to make

 

[Ophiolite]

So why did the evolution of the ostrich occur?

I understand it was in order to provide evolution deniers with an example of how to hide your head in the sand.

 

[AV1611VET]

I understand it was in order to provide evolution deniers with an example of how to hide your head in the sand.

Until recently, ostrich habits were an enigma to evolutionists, weren't they?

From AI Overview:

Ostriches do not bury their heads in the sand, despite the popular myth. The misconception likely stems from ostriches lowering their heads to the ground to inspect or turn eggs in their shallow nests, or when feeding, making it appear from a distance that they are burying their heads. They also flatten themselves against the ground to appear smaller when threatened, which can also be misinterpreted as head-burying.

Ostrich wings are short because the bird is not built for flight; instead, their weight and lack of a keel-shaped sternum make flight impossible, while their powerful legs evolved for running. The wings, although not used for flying, are retained for other essential functions, including helping with balance during high-speed running, aiding in courtship displays, and providing shade for chicks and temperature regulation.

Not to mention animals that scientists mislabeled.

Flying squirrels do not truly fly, as they lack the ability to generate thrust and propulsion. Instead, they glide by stretching a fold of skin called a patagium between their front and hind limbs. They use their tails as rudders to steer and control their direction, allowing them to travel considerable distances from tree to tree.

Flying fish do not truly "fly" by flapping their fins like birds; instead, they glide by using their wing-like pectoral fins to soar through the air after launching themselves from the water with incredible speed, similar to a kite or a hang glider. They achieve these long glides, sometimes covering hundreds of feet, as a defense mechanism to escape underwater predators.