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OP: Q1: "Orthodox" ?
A1: DEFINE "Othodox":
Othodox - ADJECTIVE
1.(of a person or their views, especially religious or political ones, or other beliefs or practices)
conforming to what is generally or traditionally accepted as right or true; established and approved:
2.(of a thing) of the ordinary or usual type; normal:
3.(of the Jews or Judaism) strictly keeping to traditional doctrine and ritual.
4.of or relating to the Orthodox Church(es).
a. Eastern Orthodox Church (EOC)
b. Roman Catholic Church (RCC)
"CHURCH" ==>(ALL VERSES NASB)
The "CHURCH" ("The Living Church?") is the collective "Body" of BELIEVERS,
the members of the "Body of Christ"
who are permanently indwelt by
God the Holy Spirit at the time of their Salvation.
The "Head" and the "Corner Stone" is God the Son, the historical person of:
Jesus of Nazareth, The Christ, The Divine Messiah, The God-Man, Son of God, Son of Man, TRUE Man-TRUE GOD + other names and titles.
He is the "Bridegroom".
Revelations 22: 17 The (God the Holy) Spirit and the "bride" (CHURCH) say, "Come "
Its "building blocks" are the "Grace through Faith" good news which guides the estranged Man to become a saved BODY + SOUL + SPIRIT.
Ephesians 4: 2-6; 1 Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 1:22; Ephesians 5:23; Colossians 1:18;
Revelation 22:16; Psalm 118:22; Isaiah 28:16; Matthew 21: 42-45
Revelation 21:9...PROPHECY for the FUTURE
“Come here, I will show you the "Bride" (CHURCH), the wife of the Lamb.” (Jesus the Divine Christ)
Matthew 25 (NASB)...The "Bridegroom" is Jesus...The virgins are the "CHURCH"...Parable of Ten Virgins
1 “Then the "kingdom of heaven" will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the "Bridegroom".
13 Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.
( when Jesus comes back for His "CHURCH" )
Psalm 118:22
The stone (Jesus) which the builders (Israel) rejected has become the chief corner stone.(of the "CHURCH")
Isaiah 28:16
Therefore thus says the Lord GOD,
" Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone, a costly cornerstone
for the foundation, firmly placed.
He who believes in it will not be disturbed.
Matthew 21...
42 Jesus said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures,
'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED,
THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone;
THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD,
AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES'?
43 "Therefore I say to you (Hebrew Nation) , the kingdom of God will be taken away from you
and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.
44 "And he who falls on (trips over) this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust."
45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them.
A1: DEFINE "Othodox":
Othodox - ADJECTIVE
1.(of a person or their views, especially religious or political ones, or other beliefs or practices)
conforming to what is generally or traditionally accepted as right or true; established and approved:
2.(of a thing) of the ordinary or usual type; normal:
3.(of the Jews or Judaism) strictly keeping to traditional doctrine and ritual.
4.of or relating to the Orthodox Church(es).
a. Eastern Orthodox Church (EOC)
b. Roman Catholic Church (RCC)
"CHURCH" ==>(ALL VERSES NASB)
The "CHURCH" ("The Living Church?") is the collective "Body" of BELIEVERS,
the members of the "Body of Christ"
who are permanently indwelt by
God the Holy Spirit at the time of their Salvation.
The "Head" and the "Corner Stone" is God the Son, the historical person of:
Jesus of Nazareth, The Christ, The Divine Messiah, The God-Man, Son of God, Son of Man, TRUE Man-TRUE GOD + other names and titles.
He is the "Bridegroom".
Revelations 22: 17 The (God the Holy) Spirit and the "bride" (CHURCH) say, "Come "
Its "building blocks" are the "Grace through Faith" good news which guides the estranged Man to become a saved BODY + SOUL + SPIRIT.
Ephesians 4: 2-6; 1 Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 1:22; Ephesians 5:23; Colossians 1:18;
Revelation 22:16; Psalm 118:22; Isaiah 28:16; Matthew 21: 42-45
Revelation 21:9...PROPHECY for the FUTURE
“Come here, I will show you the "Bride" (CHURCH), the wife of the Lamb.” (Jesus the Divine Christ)
Matthew 25 (NASB)...The "Bridegroom" is Jesus...The virgins are the "CHURCH"...Parable of Ten Virgins
1 “Then the "kingdom of heaven" will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the "Bridegroom".
13 Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.
( when Jesus comes back for His "CHURCH" )
Psalm 118:22
The stone (Jesus) which the builders (Israel) rejected has become the chief corner stone.(of the "CHURCH")
Isaiah 28:16
Therefore thus says the Lord GOD,
" Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone, a costly cornerstone
for the foundation, firmly placed.
He who believes in it will not be disturbed.
Matthew 21...
42 Jesus said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures,
'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED,
THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone;
THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD,
AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES'?
43 "Therefore I say to you (Hebrew Nation) , the kingdom of God will be taken away from you
and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.
44 "And he who falls on (trips over) this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust."
45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them.
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The only thing missing in your post is the "I AM"....which would, just happen, to agree with what 'I said' earlier.
JOH 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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POST #1: Q1: " I just want the best for my Brothers and Sisters.?.."
The RCC doctrine/dogma: The perpetual virginity of Mary.
The Bible: "Scriptura Suprema":
Mark 6:3 (NASB)
Is not this the carpenter (Jesus), the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon?
Are not His sisters here with us?” And they took offense at Him.
Acts 1:14
These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer,
along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus,
and with His brothers.
The RCC doctrine/dogma: The perpetual virginity of Mary.
The Bible: "Scriptura Suprema":
Mark 6:3 (NASB)
Is not this the carpenter (Jesus), the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon?
Are not His sisters here with us?” And they took offense at Him.
Acts 1:14
These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer,
along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus,
and with His brothers.
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POST#7: Q1: "If you're following the way: "Once saved, always saved", you need to "turn around". "
RCC Salvation doctrine/dogma:
Salvation, in Roman Catholicism, is a process with many steps: Actual Grace, Faith, Good Works, Baptism, Participation in the Sacraments, Penance, Indulgences, and Keeping the Commandments. Basically, salvation is attained through baptism and good works. It is maintained by good works and participation in the sacraments. If lost, it is regained through the sacrament of Penance which only a Roman Catholic priest can administer. Add to this purgatorial cleansing after a person dies, and you can see that salvation is an arduous process.
REF: Regaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism | carm
In Catholicism, a person can gain salvation and lose it many times depending on the number of sins committed, their severity, and how much of the sacraments that they participate in--in order to regain grace which enables them to do good works by which they are justified. Furthermore, justifying grace is infused into the Catholic upon baptism and via the sacraments. This grace can be gradually lost through venial sins or forfeited all together with mortal sins.
ETERNAL SECURITY of the true Believer's SALVATION
ACCORDING to the Bible: "Scriptura Suprema":
SEE:
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/losing-salvation.8010090/
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/you-can-lose-your-salvation-through-apostasy.7785433/
Can True born again BELIEVERS lose their spiritual POSITION in Christ?
Can a Christian Lose His Salvation?
Willful Sin after Salvation and Eternal Security
.
Jesus taught and practiced FORGIVENESS OF SINS for believers...NOT loss of spiritual POSITION
Mark 11: 24-25
See ALSO: Luke 6: 36-38...Jesus: Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Jesus will never "..cast out " a true "sheep" ...believer.
John 6:35-40
Paul taught that: (NOTHING) ..."will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord...." Romans 8:35-39
John 10...Jesus the God-Man / and the Father hold you in their HANDS!...NOTHING can "snatch" you out!
The TRI-UNE God by Grace through Faith has saved the Souls and Spirits of all true believers:
1. shown uttermost LOVE...John 13:1
2. keeps us to Himself.....John 28:30
3. presents us faultless in heaven...Jude 24
4. makes intercession to maintain our saved relationship...Hebrews 7:25; 1 John 2:1
5. places us into the Body of Christ / indwelt by God the Holy Spirit...1 Cor. 12:13
6. seals us until the day of redemption...Ephesians 4:30
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel,
for it is the power of God FOR salvation to everyone who BELIEVES, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Once a spirit-led BELIEVER...ALWAYS a spirit-led BELIEVER. God does not take back His Ephesian 2 GIFTS!
Ephesians 1:13
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation — having also BELIEVED, you were SEALED IN Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Once a SEALED BELIEVER...always a SEALED BELIEVER. Once God gives you SPIRITUAL POSITION, He does not change it.
Once a "son of God"...Always a "son of God"
Once adopted into the family of God...Always adopted into the family of God
Once a sheep of the Good Shepherd...Always a sheep of the Good Shepherd
Once spiritually changed (John 3) / "born again from above "...Always spiritually changed / "born again from above "
Once indwelt by God the Holy Spirit...Always indwelt by God the Holy Spirit
Once spiritually baptized into the Body of Christ...Always spiritually baptized into the Body of Christ
Once John 3 / Ephesian 2 saved...ALWAYS John 3 / Ephesian 2 SAVED
Once God performs His Loving works and gifts of salvation...GOD WILL NOT UN-DO THEM!...But He does FORGIVE SIN...NOT punish with the loss of SPIRITUAL POSITION.
2 Timothy 3:15
and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that
leads to salvation THROUGH FAITH which is in Christ Jesus.
Luke 6
47 Everyone who COMES to Me and HEARS My words and ACTS on them,
I will show you whom he is like:
48 he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on "THE ROCK";
and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it,
because it had been well built.
49 But the one who has heard and has not ACTED accordingly,
is like a man who built a house on the ground without any foundation;(SINKING SAND!)
and the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed,
and the ruin of that house was great.”
Once a BELIEVER is built on "THE ROCK"...ALWAYS will he stay built on "THE ROCK". God is your unchanging support.
Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart Be acceptable in Your sight, O Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
Psalm 78:35
And they remembered that God was their rock,
And the Most High God their Redeemer.
RCC Salvation doctrine/dogma:
Salvation, in Roman Catholicism, is a process with many steps: Actual Grace, Faith, Good Works, Baptism, Participation in the Sacraments, Penance, Indulgences, and Keeping the Commandments. Basically, salvation is attained through baptism and good works. It is maintained by good works and participation in the sacraments. If lost, it is regained through the sacrament of Penance which only a Roman Catholic priest can administer. Add to this purgatorial cleansing after a person dies, and you can see that salvation is an arduous process.
REF: Regaining Salvation in Roman Catholicism | carm
In Catholicism, a person can gain salvation and lose it many times depending on the number of sins committed, their severity, and how much of the sacraments that they participate in--in order to regain grace which enables them to do good works by which they are justified. Furthermore, justifying grace is infused into the Catholic upon baptism and via the sacraments. This grace can be gradually lost through venial sins or forfeited all together with mortal sins.
ETERNAL SECURITY of the true Believer's SALVATION
ACCORDING to the Bible: "Scriptura Suprema":
SEE:
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/losing-salvation.8010090/
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/you-can-lose-your-salvation-through-apostasy.7785433/
Can True born again BELIEVERS lose their spiritual POSITION in Christ?
Can a Christian Lose His Salvation?
Willful Sin after Salvation and Eternal Security
.
Jesus taught and practiced FORGIVENESS OF SINS for believers...NOT loss of spiritual POSITION
Mark 11: 24-25
See ALSO: Luke 6: 36-38...Jesus: Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Jesus will never "..cast out " a true "sheep" ...believer.
John 6:35-40
Paul taught that: (NOTHING) ..."will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord...." Romans 8:35-39
John 10...Jesus the God-Man / and the Father hold you in their HANDS!...NOTHING can "snatch" you out!
The TRI-UNE God by Grace through Faith has saved the Souls and Spirits of all true believers:
1. shown uttermost LOVE...John 13:1
2. keeps us to Himself.....John 28:30
3. presents us faultless in heaven...Jude 24
4. makes intercession to maintain our saved relationship...Hebrews 7:25; 1 John 2:1
5. places us into the Body of Christ / indwelt by God the Holy Spirit...1 Cor. 12:13
6. seals us until the day of redemption...Ephesians 4:30
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel,
for it is the power of God FOR salvation to everyone who BELIEVES, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Once a spirit-led BELIEVER...ALWAYS a spirit-led BELIEVER. God does not take back His Ephesian 2 GIFTS!
Ephesians 1:13
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation — having also BELIEVED, you were SEALED IN Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Once a SEALED BELIEVER...always a SEALED BELIEVER. Once God gives you SPIRITUAL POSITION, He does not change it.
Once a "son of God"...Always a "son of God"
Once adopted into the family of God...Always adopted into the family of God
Once a sheep of the Good Shepherd...Always a sheep of the Good Shepherd
Once spiritually changed (John 3) / "born again from above "...Always spiritually changed / "born again from above "
Once indwelt by God the Holy Spirit...Always indwelt by God the Holy Spirit
Once spiritually baptized into the Body of Christ...Always spiritually baptized into the Body of Christ
Once John 3 / Ephesian 2 saved...ALWAYS John 3 / Ephesian 2 SAVED
Once God performs His Loving works and gifts of salvation...GOD WILL NOT UN-DO THEM!...But He does FORGIVE SIN...NOT punish with the loss of SPIRITUAL POSITION.
2 Timothy 3:15
and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that
leads to salvation THROUGH FAITH which is in Christ Jesus.
Luke 6
47 Everyone who COMES to Me and HEARS My words and ACTS on them,
I will show you whom he is like:
48 he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on "THE ROCK";
and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it,
because it had been well built.
49 But the one who has heard and has not ACTED accordingly,
is like a man who built a house on the ground without any foundation;(SINKING SAND!)
and the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed,
and the ruin of that house was great.”
Once a BELIEVER is built on "THE ROCK"...ALWAYS will he stay built on "THE ROCK". God is your unchanging support.
Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart Be acceptable in Your sight, O Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
Psalm 78:35
And they remembered that God was their rock,
And the Most High God their Redeemer.
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POST#3: Q1:" ...the Protestant way?..."
Please define that phrase and expound!!
.
Do you mean:
1.a non-member of the RCC?
2. non-denominational?
3. evangelical?
4. fundamentalist?
5. Biblical / "scriptura suprema"?
6. true Christ-Follower?
7. UN-believer?
8. Non-"Tradition" ?
9. Non- "Magisterium"?
10. agrees with Martin Luther's writings?
11. agrees with John Calvin's writings?
12. Other?
Please define that phrase and expound!!
.
Do you mean:
1.a non-member of the RCC?
2. non-denominational?
3. evangelical?
4. fundamentalist?
5. Biblical / "scriptura suprema"?
6. true Christ-Follower?
7. UN-believer?
8. Non-"Tradition" ?
9. Non- "Magisterium"?
10. agrees with Martin Luther's writings?
11. agrees with John Calvin's writings?
12. Other?
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POST #3: Q1: "...on the wrong path?..."
POST #14: Q1: "...only one way to heaven?..."
RCC doctrine and dogma:
The Vatican issued a document restating its belief that
the (ROMAN) Catholic Church is the only true "church" of Jesus Christ...Although Orthodox churches are true churches, they are defective because they do not recognize the primacy of the Pope.
REF: Catholic Church only true church, Vatican says
Biblical ("Scriptura Suprema") true doctrine:
John 14:6 (NASB)
Jesus said to him, (Doubtful Thomas)
“I AM
the WAY, and ( Greek 3598...hodos...manner of thinking, feeling, deciding (soul)
the TRUTH, and (Greek 225....aletheia...what is true in things appertaining to God and the duties of man (spiritually)
the LIFE; (Greek 2222....zoe.... absolute fullness of (spiritual) life...which belongs to God,
no one comes to the Father but THROUGH Me..
COUNTING the SPIRITUAL COST of FOLLOWING JESUS the DIVINE MESSIAH !!
BELIEVE unto SALVATION...then...FOLLOW unto SANCTIFICATION
Luke 14:25-35 (NASB)...Discipleship Tested: BELIEVE ..then...FOLLOW
25 Now large (UNBELIEVING) CROWDS were going along with Him; and He turned and said to them,(warning!)
26 “If anyone comes to (FOLLOWS) Me, (put Jesus FIRST!)and (E.G.) does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. (TRUE FOLLOWER)
27 Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me (FOLLOWS) cannot be My disciple.
28 For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and CALCULATE the COST to see if he has enough to complete it?
(E.G.)29 Otherwise, when he has laid a FOUNDATION (BELIEF!)and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him,
30 saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’
(E.G.)31 Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?
32 Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace.
33 So then, (E.G.) none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.(put Jesus FIRST!)
34 “Therefore, salt (FOLLOWERS) is good (PRESERVATION + SEASONING);
but if even salt has become tasteless, with what will it be seasoned?
35 It is useless either for the soil or for the manure pile; It is thrown out.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”
COMPARE:
Matthew 16: 24-27 (NASB) Jesus: Christ-following Is Spiritually Costly...extracts...(parens + caps mine)
24 Then Jesus said to His DISCIPLES, (saved believers!)
“If anyone wishes to COME AFTER Me (use Me as an example and model), he MUST:
>>1. deny himself, AND (spiritually put God, family, neighbors, world...BEFORE SELF)
>>2. take up his cross AND (spiritually bear sacrificial burdens of trusting and obeying)
>>3. follow Me. (spiritually imitate the perfect example of Jesus and His precepts)
25 For whoever wishes to save his (spiritual) life will lose it; but whoever loses his (earthly) life for My sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole (material) world and forfeits his soul (/spirit)? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul (/spirit)?
27 For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, (Second Coming !)
and will then repay every man (believer) according to his deeds. (Judgment of the Believer's Works after Salvation)
POST #14: Q1: "...only one way to heaven?..."
RCC doctrine and dogma:
The Vatican issued a document restating its belief that
the (ROMAN) Catholic Church is the only true "church" of Jesus Christ...Although Orthodox churches are true churches, they are defective because they do not recognize the primacy of the Pope.
REF: Catholic Church only true church, Vatican says
Biblical ("Scriptura Suprema") true doctrine:
John 14:6 (NASB)
Jesus said to him, (Doubtful Thomas)
“I AM
the WAY, and ( Greek 3598...hodos...manner of thinking, feeling, deciding (soul)
the TRUTH, and (Greek 225....aletheia...what is true in things appertaining to God and the duties of man (spiritually)
the LIFE; (Greek 2222....zoe.... absolute fullness of (spiritual) life...which belongs to God,
no one comes to the Father but THROUGH Me..
COUNTING the SPIRITUAL COST of FOLLOWING JESUS the DIVINE MESSIAH !!
BELIEVE unto SALVATION...then...FOLLOW unto SANCTIFICATION
Luke 14:25-35 (NASB)...Discipleship Tested: BELIEVE ..then...FOLLOW
25 Now large (UNBELIEVING) CROWDS were going along with Him; and He turned and said to them,(warning!)
26 “If anyone comes to (FOLLOWS) Me, (put Jesus FIRST!)and (E.G.) does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. (TRUE FOLLOWER)
27 Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me (FOLLOWS) cannot be My disciple.
28 For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and CALCULATE the COST to see if he has enough to complete it?
(E.G.)29 Otherwise, when he has laid a FOUNDATION (BELIEF!)and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him,
30 saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’
(E.G.)31 Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle, will not first sit down and consider whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?
32 Or else, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace.
33 So then, (E.G.) none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.(put Jesus FIRST!)
34 “Therefore, salt (FOLLOWERS) is good (PRESERVATION + SEASONING);
but if even salt has become tasteless, with what will it be seasoned?
35 It is useless either for the soil or for the manure pile; It is thrown out.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”
COMPARE:
Matthew 16: 24-27 (NASB) Jesus: Christ-following Is Spiritually Costly...extracts...(parens + caps mine)
24 Then Jesus said to His DISCIPLES, (saved believers!)
“If anyone wishes to COME AFTER Me (use Me as an example and model), he MUST:
>>1. deny himself, AND (spiritually put God, family, neighbors, world...BEFORE SELF)
>>2. take up his cross AND (spiritually bear sacrificial burdens of trusting and obeying)
>>3. follow Me. (spiritually imitate the perfect example of Jesus and His precepts)
25 For whoever wishes to save his (spiritual) life will lose it; but whoever loses his (earthly) life for My sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole (material) world and forfeits his soul (/spirit)? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul (/spirit)?
27 For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, (Second Coming !)
and will then repay every man (believer) according to his deeds. (Judgment of the Believer's Works after Salvation)
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Luke50: Where are your RCC responses?? opinions. "Protestants" give TRUTH, supported by Scripture. We "win"??
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Peace be with you, Luke50.
I don't know much about the Orthodox Church.
But I am always learning if you want to teach me something here in your thread.
Thank you.
I know Catholic teachings.
I can't understand Protestant teachings. They make up a lot of stuff that I am unable to understand and digest.
I just know 2 things well. Things you have to do and things you must not do.
Do good things and don't do bad things.
God bless you.
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OP: Q1: " Come to the one and only true faith."
A1: WHY?? I am a saved believer, eternally secure in the salvation event, indwelt by God the Holy Spirit Who will guide me through the sanctification process.
Why would I want to become a member of a denomination riddled with false doctrine??
A1: WHY?? I am a saved believer, eternally secure in the salvation event, indwelt by God the Holy Spirit Who will guide me through the sanctification process.
Why would I want to become a member of a denomination riddled with false doctrine??
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Brothers and Sisters of Jesus meant more than 'biological' siblings in ancient times!
Plus, if Jesus did have biological brothers and sisters why did he not give His Mother over to them at the foot of the cross?
Nothing in the Bible states that Mary 'bore' any other children than Our Lord Jesus Christ.
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RESPONSE TO POST#33:
Matthew 13:55
Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?
Mark 6:3
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?” And they took offense at Him.
Only grieving women (Mary + others) + John the Elder gathered on Calgary. His blood family and 10 apostles were AFRAID!
Matthew 13:55
Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?
Mark 6:3
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?” And they took offense at Him.
Only grieving women (Mary + others) + John the Elder gathered on Calgary. His blood family and 10 apostles were AFRAID!
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Where does that state that Mary bore any more children?
Why can't they be children of Joseph from another marriage?
St James was called the 'Brother of Our Lord'. This is being 'kinsman', for cousins german with the Hebrews were called brothers!
Brother Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary
1 Peter 5
12 By Silva′nus, a faithful brother as I regard him, I have written briefly to you, exhorting and declaring that this is the true grace of God; stand fast in it. 13 She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings; and so does my son Mark. 14 Greet one another with the kiss of love.
Peace to all of you that are in Christ.
Is Peter saying above that Silva'nus is his biological brother?
Is Peter saying above that Mark is his biological son?
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RESPONSE TO POST #36
What if you and RCC dogma on this point are wrong? What happens? SCRIPTURE is against your positions.
What if you and RCC dogma on this point are wrong? What happens? SCRIPTURE is against your positions.
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lol. I apologize. The OP was very direct, as there was no question, and seemed ready to argue rather than debate. It was a one sided "statement" and defamed anyone who didn't agree and targeted protestants.
I find these statement full of (spiritual) ignorance.
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I see you judge people without a knowledgeable source.
Are you misusing the label "Christian"? Sounds like it.
I've been called many names, and names mean nothing. Seeker of Spiritual Truth fits best. I have no creed or ideology since those are made of men.
The Bible is not my guide, but the Holy Spirit. My study is all the Gospels (more than a dozen), Pauls letters, early church fathers (Ignatius, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origen), Books of Gnosis,(the label from the Catholics is Gnostics), as well as church history (like Eusebius).
The best verse for my seeking is this:
But truth brought names into existence in the world for our sakes, because it is not possible to learn it (truth) without these names. Truth is one single thing; it is many things and for our sakes to teach about this one thing in love through many things. The rulers (archons) wanted to deceive man, since they saw that he had a kinship with those that are truly good. They took the name of those that are good and gave it to those that are not good, so that through the names they might deceive him and bind them to those that are not good. And afterward, what a favor they do for them! They make them be removed from those that are not good and place them among those that are good. These things they knew, for they wanted to take the free man and make him a slave to them forever.
Truth did not come into the world naked, but it came in types and images. The world will not receive truth in any other way. There is a rebirth and an image of rebirth. It is certainly necessary to be born again through the image. Which one? Resurrection. The image must rise again through the image. The bridal chamber and the image must enter through the image into the truth: this is the restoration. Not only must those who produce the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, do so, but have produced them for you. If one does not acquire them, the name ("Christian") will also be taken from him. But one receives the unction of the [...] of the power of the cross. This power the apostles called "the right and the left." For this person is no longer a Christian but a Christ.- Gospel of Philip
Becoming a Christ is nothing more than accepting the Chrism which is what Christ means.
May words may seem troublesome. Good. They were troublesome when I heard them, and when understood, opened up a whole new view of the Canon Gospels and Paul.
The Disciple Thomas was right.
Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."
How troubled the Jews were when they heard the Truth. And tried to destroy it. How troubled the Catholics (against all other Christian tenets like those of Marcion, Valentinus, Arius, etc.) were.
The big picture comes together.
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