My question was if David was born with sin having inherited Adam's sin thus born a sinner per the NIV OR was David born sinless yet born with a sin nature causing him to sin against his will later in life. Big difference.
This will be my last attempt back on this subject because it does not seem like you are actually reading what I am saying.
One last time.
David inherited the changed nature, the corrupted body. Meaning he could sin without having Satan tempt him, because it comes from inside.
He did not inherit Adam's sin.
No one sins against their will. We might sin accidentally, but while sinning people are gaining satisfaction from it, whether it's screaming at someone, taking the rest of the cake to something like murder. Pride and selfishness are the root of most sins.
Does being born with a sinful nature mean one is born a sinner?
We are not born with any sins committed, a fetus cannot commit sin, but it still has the corrupted nature and body. Jesus didn't just die for the sins we will commit he also died for our corrupt nature.
God created Adam and Eve as sinless and innocent. They were designed to commune with God and live forever. Adam's sin severed all of this. Our bodies began to die immediately, our spirit was no longer connected to God and our soul/mind ruled.
In one sense we are not born a sinner since we have not yet committed any sins but in another sense we are born a sinner because we come with a corrupted body, soul and spirit.
James is not describing how one is born.
Where did I say he was? Again you are not really reading what I am saying. It describes perfectly how desire comes first. Desire is the sinful nature. The actual sin isn't the desire or the thought, the sin comes after that.
Where does the desire to sin come from?
Does it not come from our own mind and body?
Can you honestly not see the difference between thinking about sinning and actually going and doing the deed?
David had the thought about having Bathsheba's husband killed in battle. At that point after he first had the thought he could have stopped and turned to God. He could have repented and prayed about this terrible thought. He didn't, he thought and then he went through with it. This is a perfect example of this verse in action.
James 1:15
Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
God created man with desires but it is up to man to control those desires and use them for good rather than evil. James 1:14-15, James shows the source of sin is in one's thoughts (moral choices) not in how one was physically born against his will (sin nature).
When I say desires I mean it the way James uses it there, the desire to sin.
God did not create Adam and Eve with the desire to sin.
Satan knew the only way he could cause them to sin was if an outside force came to them and planted the idea.
Adam and Eve were made in the image of God and that image was marred when they sinned.
This marring is the sinful nature
and the dying body.
When God said you shall die, he meant body, soul and spirit.
But I see nothing in the verses you cite they pass on sin or a sin nature to man. Ezekiel 18:20, sin or a sin nature is not passed from one person to another for the soul that sinneth it shall die...one is accountable and culpable and dies for his OWN sin he choose to commit.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--
How else does death come from one man to all men except through inheritance?
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
Romans 7:23
But I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.
Romans 5:19
For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.
Romans 3:10
As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;
Even the unborn are not righteous in and of themselves, their righteousness comes from Jesus.