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and where have you seen the devil himself eating dust in the literal sense of the word(s)?! - Scripture is full of special (spiritual) terms with special (spiritual) meanings, which even the biblical/strong's lexicon does not (fully) explain so this is some revealing, albeit basic, explanation for the biblical word "dust/sand" (Remember the revealing words of the Lord from Matthew 7:26-27) Blessings
Huh? Have you prayed today?
To pray for one's enemies suggests that one believes that whatever harm they have done, they are capable of being reconciled to God and to oneself. Paul, writing about twenty years before the evangelists, holds a still more traditionally Jewish perception that Satan acts as God's agent not to corrupt people but to test them; at one point he suggests that a Christian group "deliver to Satan" one of its errant members, not in order to consign him to hell, but in the hope that he will repent and change. Paul also hopes and longs for reconciliation between his "brothers," "fellow Israelite's," and Gentile believers.
THE ORIGIN OF SATAN by Ellen Pagels Copyright 1995 scanned from MY Book.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 Those who are made of the dust are like the man from the dust; those who are heavenly are like the man who is from heaven.
G5517 χοΐκός From G5522; dusty or dirty (soil like), that is, (by implication) terrene: - earthy.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every animal of the field; upon thy breast shalt thou go, and soil shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
G4738 στῆθος, εος, τό,From G2476 (as standing prominently); the (entire external) bosom, that is, chest: - breast. Abreast, of both sexes, being the front part of the θώραξ, trunk [LSJ]
G2342 θηρίον θηρίου θηρίων Diminutive from the same as G2339; brutal person as a wild animal, beast θηρίον, τό (in form Dim. of θήρ), wild animal, esp. of such as are hunted
G1093 γῆ the inhabited earth, the abode of men and animals [THAYER] Contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene tierra cultivable globe (including the occupants in each application): - country, earth (-ly), ground, land, world. tierra como uno de los cuatro elementos ἐκ γαίης γὰρ πάντα καὶ εἰς γῆν πάντα τελευτᾷ Xenoph.B 27, cf. Anaxag.B 4, Pl.Prt.320d, Lg.889b, Arist.Metaph.989a5, Cael.269a18
 
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A 30-second google search would have stopped you from making this claim.
We have ugaritic, Egyptian, Babylonian, and Akkadian accounts. Look at accounts of Mt. Hermon and the descent of the watchers.
You are kidding, right? Mythology indeed:
The term “Divine Council” is a phrase used by Hebrew and Semitics scholars for The Ugaritic council was led by El (God) heavenly host, the pantheon of divine beings who administer the affairs of the cosmos. any one of multiple major Ancient Near East deities. A rarer spelling\, "'ila"\, represents the predicate form in Old Akkadian and in Amorite it constitutes the greater part of what is now Irag. In the mythology of the ancient Near East, El was the supreme god. He was the creator deity, the father of gods and men, and the highest judge and authority in all divine matters and human affairs. El was usually represented as an elderly man with a long beard. He was believed to live on Mount Saphon, near the ancient Syrian city of Ugarit. A highly respected deity, El was all-knowing and all-powerful, wise and compassionate. He was sometimes referred to as "the Bull" and was generally shown as a seated figure wearing a crown with bull's horns. The bull suggested El's strength and creative force. Despite his religious significance, El did not play an active role in Canaanite mythology. Most myths were about the actions of others and involved El indirectly. For example, one story from Ugarit concerned Aqhat, son of King Danel. In return for the king's hospitality, the craftsman god Kothar [The Phoenician god of arts and crafts and the builder of the palace of Baal.] gave Aqhat his bow and arrows. The goddess Anat wanted the bow and tried to buy it with gold and silver. When Aqhat refused, the goddess offered to give him immortality in exchange for the bow. Aqhat rudely rejected her offer, telling the goddess that she could not make immortal a man destined to die.
El - Myth Encyclopedia - mythology, god, story, ancient, life, king, strength
Have you read Paul? To pray for one's enemies suggests that one believes that whatever harm they have done, they are capable of being reconciled to God and to oneself. Paul, writing about twenty years before the evangelists, holds a still more traditionally Jewish perception that Satan acts as God's agent not to corrupt people but to test them; at one point he suggests that a Christian group "deliver to Satan" one of its errant members, not in order to consign him to hell, but in the hope that he will repent and change. Paul also hopes and longs for reconciliation between his "brothers," "fellow Israelite's," and Gentile believers.
THE ORIGIN OF SATAN by Ellen Pagels Copyright 1995 scanned from MY Book.
 
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I'm quite aware of the sources...
OKAY which one Bible is it?
—English (EN)—
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
American Standard Version (ASV)
Amplified Bible (AMP)
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)
BRG Bible (BRG)
Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
Common English Bible (CEB)
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Darby Translation (DARBY)
Disciples' Literal New Testament (DLNT)
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
English Standard Version (ESV)
English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)
Expanded Bible (EXI3)
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
GOD'S WORD Translation (GW)
Good News Translation (GNT)
Holman Christian Standard Bible (FIGS B)
International Children's Bible (ICB)
International Standard Version (ISM!)
J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
Jubilee Bible 2000 (JUB)
King James Version (KJV)
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
Lexham English Bible (LEB)
Living Bible (TLB)
The Message (MSG)
Modern English Version (1v1EV)
Mounce Reverse-Interlinear New Testament (MOUNCE)
Names of God Bible (NOG)
New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
New Century Version (NV)
New English Translation (NET Bible)
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
New International Version (NIV)
New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
New King James Version (NKJV)
New Life Version (NLV)
New Living Translation (NLT)
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
New Revised Standard Version: Anglicised (NRSVA)
New Revised Standard Version: Anglicised Catholic Edition (NRSVACE)
New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
New Testament for Everyone (NTE)
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
Tree of Life Version (TLV)
The Voice (VOICE)
World English Bible (WEB)
Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE)
Wycliffe Bible
Young's Literal Translation (LT)
BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.
 
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OKAY which one Bible is it?
—English (EN)—
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
American Standard Version (ASV)
Amplified Bible (AMP)
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)
BRG Bible (BRG)
Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
Common English Bible (CEB)
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Darby Translation (DARBY)
Disciples' Literal New Testament (DLNT)
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
English Standard Version (ESV)
English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)
Expanded Bible (EXI3)
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
GOD'S WORD Translation (GW)
Good News Translation (GNT)
Holman Christian Standard Bible (FIGS B)
International Children's Bible (ICB)
International Standard Version (ISM!)
J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
Jubilee Bible 2000 (JUB)
King James Version (KJV)
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
Lexham English Bible (LEB)
Living Bible (TLB)
The Message (MSG)
Modern English Version (1v1EV)
Mounce Reverse-Interlinear New Testament (MOUNCE)
Names of God Bible (NOG)
New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
New Century Version (NV)
New English Translation (NET Bible)
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
New International Version (NIV)
New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
New King James Version (NKJV)
New Life Version (NLV)
New Living Translation (NLT)
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
New Revised Standard Version: Anglicised (NRSVA)
New Revised Standard Version: Anglicised Catholic Edition (NRSVACE)
New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
New Testament for Everyone (NTE)
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
Tree of Life Version (TLV)
The Voice (VOICE)
World English Bible (WEB)
Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE)
Wycliffe Bible
Young's Literal Translation (LT)
BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.
Your point does not lead one to a path of turning to outside sources.
 
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Your point does not lead one to a path of turning to outside sources.
And it isn't "divine council" to suggest one do so

And offer the resources outside THE WORD of GOD as "divine council"
 
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Your point does not lead one to a path of turning to outside sources.
You do not think the MSS is a good source?
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GOD of this world
Codex Sinaiticus - See The Manuscript | Genesis |
Tell me what you think is a good source? Can you name just one?
 
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Huh? Have you prayed today?
To pray for one's enemies suggests that one believes that whatever harm they have done, they are capable of being reconciled to God and to oneself. Paul, writing about twenty years before the evangelists, holds a still more traditionally Jewish perception that Satan acts as God's agent not to corrupt people but to test them; at one point he suggests that a Christian group "deliver to Satan" one of its errant members, not in order to consign him to hell, but in the hope that he will repent and change. Paul also hopes and longs for reconciliation between his "brothers," "fellow Israelite's," and Gentile believers.
THE ORIGIN OF SATAN by Ellen Pagels Copyright 1995 scanned from MY Book.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 Those who are made of the dust are like the man from the dust; those who are heavenly are like the man who is from heaven.
G5517 χοΐκός From G5522; dusty or dirty (soil like), that is, (by implication) terrene: - earthy.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every animal of the field; upon thy breast shalt thou go, and soil shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
G4738 στῆθος, εος, τό,From G2476 (as standing prominently); the (entire external) bosom, that is, chest: - breast. Abreast, of both sexes, being the front part of the θώραξ, trunk [LSJ]
G2342 θηρίον θηρίου θηρίων Diminutive from the same as G2339; brutal person as a wild animal, beast θηρίον, τό (in form Dim. of θήρ), wild animal, esp. of such as are hunted
G1093 γῆ the inhabited earth, the abode of men and animals [THAYER] Contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene tierra cultivable globe (including the occupants in each application): - country, earth (-ly), ground, land, world. tierra como uno de los cuatro elementos ἐκ γαίης γὰρ πάντα καὶ εἰς γῆν πάντα τελευτᾷ Xenoph.B 27, cf. Anaxag.B 4, Pl.Prt.320d, Lg.889b, Arist.Metaph.989a5, Cael.269a18

do you remember Revelation 20:10?!, it is written there that satan will be thrown into the "lake of fire and brimstone", where the first beast and the other beast will also be thrown, and that they will be tormented day and night forever and ever, so how do you see satan as a servant of the true God when God intends to throw him into that place and satan will be tortured day and night forever and ever (he doesn't seem to be pleasing to God)?!, or where in Scripture can you find a verse/passage in which Jesus Christ is seen to have used the services of satan?!

Blessings
 
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do you remember Revelation 20:10?!, it is written there that satan will be thrown into the "lake of fire and brimstone", where the first beast and the other beast will also be thrown, and that they will be tormented day and night forever and ever, so how do you see satan as a servant of the true God when God intends to throw him into that place and satan will be tortured day and night forever and ever (he doesn't seem to be pleasing to God)?!, or where in Scripture can you find a verse/passage in which Jesus Christ is seen to have used the services of satan?! Blessings
Rev 19:19 Then I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies gathered to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army.
20 And the beast [verse 19 the kings of the earth] was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Now all this is spoken of the same people, in the same circumstances of willful rebellion and obstinate unbelief; and the great God of heaven and earth is he who judicially blinds their eyes; makes their hearts fat, i.e. stupid; gives them the spirit of slumber: and bows down their back, etc. On these very grounds it is exceedingly likely that the apostle means the true God by the words the god of this world. And as to the expression this world, αιωνος τουτου, we are not to imagine that it necessarily means wicked men, or a wicked age; for it is frequently used to express the whole mundane system, and all that is called time.
They have resisted the grace which God gave them, and have refused to yield to the evidences which amply prove the Messiah ship of Jesus; and therefore their eyes were judicially darkened, as it is said in the prophet: He hath closed their eyes, and hath given them the spirit of slumber. That is, they have shut their eyes against the light, and their blindness and stupor are the consequence.
But what if God, willing to show His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction, and that He might manifest the riches of His grace towards the vessels of mercy, which He hath before prepared unto glory etc. Here it evidently cannot be said that it is one God who shows his wrath, and makes known his power in the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction, and another God who shows his riches in the vessels of mercy. According to the apostle's doctrine, it is one and the same God who does both. For in all these words quoted from the apostle no other God is understood than He whose Son, sent by Him, came saying, " For judgment am I come into this world, that they which see not might see, and that they which see might be made blind," Regarding this it is well said of God, "Thy judgments are a great deep."' The apostle, in admiration of the unfathomable depth of this abyss, exclaims : "0 the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and of the knowledge of God How unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out ! You cannot distinguish between what God does in mercy and what He does in judgment, because you can neither understand nor use the words of our Psalter " I will sing of mercy and judgment unto Thee, 0 Lord." Accordingly, whatever in the feebleness of your frail humanity seems amiss to you, you separate entirely from the will and judgment of God for you are provided with another evil god, not by a discovery of truth, but by an invention of folly. So you think snakes are made by en evil being; while you consider the sun so great a good, that you believe it to be not the creature of God, but an emission from His substance. You must know that the this God, in whom, alas, you have not yet come to believe, made both the snake along with the lower creatures, and the sun along with other exalted creatures. Adam Clarke Commentary e-Sword - the Sword of the Lord with an electronic edge & [ BOOK XXI,] TWO PRINCIPLES 383 -386 REPLY TO FAUSTUS THE MANICHAEN
The works of Aurelius Augustine / a new translation, ... v.5. Augustine, Saint, Bishop of Hippo



Now all this is spoken of the same people, in the same circumstances of willful rebellion and obstinate unbelief; and the great God of heaven and earth is he who judicially blinds their eyes; makes their hearts fat, i.e. stupid; gives them the spirit of slumber: and bows down their back, etc. On these very grounds it is exceedingly likely that the apostle means the true God by the words the god of this world. And as to the expression this world, αιωνος τουτου, we are not to imagine that it necessarily means wicked men, or a wicked age; for it is frequently used to express the whole mundane system, and all that is called time.
They have resisted the grace which God gave them, and have refused to yield to the evidences which amply prove the Messiah ship of Jesus; and therefore their eyes were judicially darkened, as it is said in the prophet: He hath closed their eyes, and hath given them the spirit of slumber. That is, they have shut their eyes against the light, and their blindness and stupor are the consequence.
But what if God, willing to show His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction, and that He might manifest the riches of His grace towards the vessels of mercy, which He hath before prepared unto glory etc. Here it evidently cannot be said that it is one God who shows his wrath, and makes known his power in the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction, and another God who shows his riches in the vessels of mercy. According to the apostle's doctrine, it is one and the same God who does both. For in all these words quoted from the apostle no other God is understood than He whose Son, sent by Him, came saying, " For judgment am I come into this world, that they which see not might see, and that they which see might be made blind," Regarding this it is well said of God, "Thy judgments are a great deep."' The apostle, in admiration of the unfathomable depth of this abyss, exclaims : "0 the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and of the knowledge of God How unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out ! You cannot distinguish between what God does in mercy and what He does in judgment, because you can neither understand nor use the words of our Psalter " I will sing of mercy and judgment unto Thee, 0 Lord." Accordingly, whatever in the feebleness of your frail humanity seems amiss to you, you separate entirely from the will and judgment of God for you are provided with another evil god, not by a discovery of truth, but by an invention of folly. So you think snakes are made by en evil being; while you consider the sun so great a good, that you believe it to be not the creature of God, but an emission from His substance. You must know that the this God, in whom, alas, you have not yet come to believe, made both the snake along with the lower creatures, and the sun along with other exalted creatures. Adam Clarke Commentary e-Sword - the Sword of the Lord with an electronic edge & [ BOOK XXI,] TWO PRINCIPLES 383 -386 REPLY TO FAUSTUS THE MANICHAEN
The works of Aurelius Augustine / a new translation, ... v.5. Augustine, Saint, Bishop of Hippo
do you remember Revelation 20:10?!, it is written there that satan will be thrown into the "lake of fire and brimstone", where the first beast and the other beast will also be thrown, and that they will be tormented day and night forever and ever, so how do you see satan as a servant of the true God when God intends to throw him into that place and satan will be tortured day and night forever and ever (he doesn't seem to be pleasing to God)?!, or where in Scripture can you find a verse/passage in which Jesus Christ is seen to have used the services of satan?!

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do you remember Revelation 20:10?!, it is written there that satan will be thrown into the "lake of fire and brimstone", where the first beast and the other beast will also be thrown, and that they will be tormented day and night forever and ever, so how do you see satan as a servant of the true God when God intends to throw him into that place and satan will be tortured day and night forever and ever (he doesn't seem to be pleasing to God)?!, or where in Scripture can you find a verse/passage in which Jesus Christ is seen to have used the services of satan?!
Rev 19:19 Then I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies gathered to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army.
20 And the beast [verse 19 the kings of the earth] was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Now all this is spoken of the same people, in the same circumstances of willful rebellion and obstinate unbelief; and the great God of heaven and earth is he who judicially blinds their eyes; makes their hearts fat, i.e. stupid; gives them the spirit of slumber: and bows down their back, etc. On these very grounds it is exceedingly likely that the apostle means the true God by the words the god of this world. And as to the expression this world, αιωνος τουτου, we are not to imagine that it necessarily means wicked men, or a wicked age; for it is frequently used to express the whole mundane system, and all that is called time.
They have resisted the grace which God gave them, and have refused to yield to the evidences which amply prove the Messiah ship of Jesus; and therefore their eyes were judicially darkened, as it is said in the prophet: He hath closed their eyes, and hath given them the spirit of slumber. That is, they have shut their eyes against the light, and their blindness and stupor are the consequence.
But what if God, willing to show His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction, and that He might manifest the riches of His grace towards the vessels of mercy, which He hath before prepared unto glory etc. Here it evidently cannot be said that it is one God who shows his wrath, and makes known his power in the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction, and another God who shows his riches in the vessels of mercy. According to the apostle's doctrine, it is one and the same God who does both. For in all these words quoted from the apostle no other God is understood than He whose Son, sent by Him, came saying, " For judgment am I come into this world, that they which see not might see, and that they which see might be made blind," Regarding this it is well said of God, "Thy judgments are a great deep."' The apostle, in admiration of the unfathomable depth of this abyss, exclaims : "0 the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and of the knowledge of God How unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out ! You cannot distinguish between what God does in mercy and what He does in judgment, because you can neither understand nor use the words of our Psalter " I will sing of mercy and judgment unto Thee, 0 Lord." Accordingly, whatever in the feebleness of your frail humanity seems amiss to you, you separate entirely from the will and judgment of God for you are provided with another evil god, not by a discovery of truth, but by an invention of folly. So you think snakes are made by en evil being; while you consider the sun so great a good, that you believe it to be not the creature of God, but an emission from His substance. You must know that the this God, in whom, alas, you have not yet come to believe, made both the snake along with the lower creatures, and the sun along with other exalted creatures. Adam Clarke Commentary e-Sword - the Sword of the Lord with an electronic edge & [ BOOK XXI,] TWO PRINCIPLES 383 -386 REPLY TO FAUSTUS THE MANICHAEN
The works of Aurelius Augustine / a new translation, ... v.5. Augustine, Saint, Bishop of Hippo




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Rev 19:19 Then I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies gathered to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army.
20 And the beast [verse 19 the kings of the earth] was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Now all this is spoken of the same people, in the same circumstances of willful rebellion and obstinate unbelief; and the great God of heaven and earth is he who judicially blinds their eyes; makes their hearts fat, i.e. stupid; gives them the spirit of slumber: and bows down their back, etc. On these very grounds it is exceedingly likely that the apostle means the true God by the words the god of this world. And as to the expression this world, αιωνος τουτου, we are not to imagine that it necessarily means wicked men, or a wicked age; for it is frequently used to express the whole mundane system, and all that is called time.
They have resisted the grace which God gave them, and have refused to yield to the evidences which amply prove the Messiah ship of Jesus; and therefore their eyes were judicially darkened, as it is said in the prophet: He hath closed their eyes, and hath given them the spirit of slumber. That is, they have shut their eyes against the light, and their blindness and stupor are the consequence.
But what if God, willing to show His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction, and that He might manifest the riches of His grace towards the vessels of mercy, which He hath before prepared unto glory etc. Here it evidently cannot be said that it is one God who shows his wrath, and makes known his power in the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction, and another God who shows his riches in the vessels of mercy. According to the apostle's doctrine, it is one and the same God who does both. For in all these words quoted from the apostle no other God is understood than He whose Son, sent by Him, came saying, " For judgment am I come into this world, that they which see not might see, and that they which see might be made blind," Regarding this it is well said of God, "Thy judgments are a great deep."' The apostle, in admiration of the unfathomable depth of this abyss, exclaims : "0 the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and of the knowledge of God How unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out ! You cannot distinguish between what God does in mercy and what He does in judgment, because you can neither understand nor use the words of our Psalter " I will sing of mercy and judgment unto Thee, 0 Lord." Accordingly, whatever in the feebleness of your frail humanity seems amiss to you, you separate entirely from the will and judgment of God for you are provided with another evil god, not by a discovery of truth, but by an invention of folly. So you think snakes are made by en evil being; while you consider the sun so great a good, that you believe it to be not the creature of God, but an emission from His substance. You must know that the this God, in whom, alas, you have not yet come to believe, made both the snake along with the lower creatures, and the sun along with other exalted creatures. Adam Clarke Commentary e-Sword - the Sword of the Lord with an electronic edge & [ BOOK XXI,] TWO PRINCIPLES 383 -386 REPLY TO FAUSTUS THE MANICHAEN
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Now all this is spoken of the same people, in the same circumstances of willful rebellion and obstinate unbelief; and the great God of heaven and earth is he who judicially blinds their eyes; makes their hearts fat, i.e. stupid; gives them the spirit of slumber: and bows down their back, etc. On these very grounds it is exceedingly likely that the apostle means the true God by the words the god of this world. And as to the expression this world, αιωνος τουτου, we are not to imagine that it necessarily means wicked men, or a wicked age; for it is frequently used to express the whole mundane system, and all that is called time.
They have resisted the grace which God gave them, and have refused to yield to the evidences which amply prove the Messiah ship of Jesus; and therefore their eyes were judicially darkened, as it is said in the prophet: He hath closed their eyes, and hath given them the spirit of slumber. That is, they have shut their eyes against the light, and their blindness and stupor are the consequence.
But what if God, willing to show His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction, and that He might manifest the riches of His grace towards the vessels of mercy, which He hath before prepared unto glory etc. Here it evidently cannot be said that it is one God who shows his wrath, and makes known his power in the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction, and another God who shows his riches in the vessels of mercy. According to the apostle's doctrine, it is one and the same God who does both. For in all these words quoted from the apostle no other God is understood than He whose Son, sent by Him, came saying, " For judgment am I come into this world, that they which see not might see, and that they which see might be made blind," Regarding this it is well said of God, "Thy judgments are a great deep."' The apostle, in admiration of the unfathomable depth of this abyss, exclaims : "0 the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and of the knowledge of God How unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out ! You cannot distinguish between what God does in mercy and what He does in judgment, because you can neither understand nor use the words of our Psalter " I will sing of mercy and judgment unto Thee, 0 Lord." Accordingly, whatever in the feebleness of your frail humanity seems amiss to you, you separate entirely from the will and judgment of God for you are provided with another evil god, not by a discovery of truth, but by an invention of folly. So you think snakes are made by en evil being; while you consider the sun so great a good, that you believe it to be not the creature of God, but an emission from His substance. You must know that the this God, in whom, alas, you have not yet come to believe, made both the snake along with the lower creatures, and the sun along with other exalted creatures. Adam Clarke Commentary e-Sword - the Sword of the Lord with an electronic edge & [ BOOK XXI,] TWO PRINCIPLES 383 -386 REPLY TO FAUSTUS THE MANICHAEN
The works of Aurelius Augustine / a new translation, ... v.5. Augustine, Saint, Bishop of Hippo
Only two were cast into the Lake of fire

The rest of the dead became a feast for the birds

They were clearly not cast into the lake of fire
 
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Okay! How about the Johann Comma? That is included in most of them. The King James Version; yet IT RESTS UPON A HALF DOZEN MINUSCULE MANUSCRIPTS, none of which is earlier than the tenth century. ... the textual basis of the TR is a small number of haphazardly and relatively late minuscule manuscripts
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth - This is a part of the text, which, if the reasoning above is correct, is to be omitted. The genuine passage reads, 1Jn 5:7, “For there are three that bear record (or witness, μαρτυροῦντες marturountes) - the Spirit, and the water, and the blood.” There is no reference to the fact that it is done “in earth.” The phrase was introduced to correspond with what was said in the interpolated passage, that there are three that bear record “in heaven.” [BARNES] e-Sword - the Sword of the Lord with an electronic edge
The embolded portion of the passage is omitted from the NIV and RSV and is footnoted or missing in nearly all modern versions, reading instead, "There are three that bear record, the Spirit, and the water and the blood" or something closely akin
The embolded portion .in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: andthese three are one. 8. And there are three that bear witness in earth
Dr. J.A. Moorman – a dedicated Godly minister, capsuling the posture of
modern textual criticism which insists upon the omission of the passage,
has set forth the following particulars:1
1. The passage is missing from every known Greek manuscript except
four, and these contain the passage in what appears to be a
translation from a late recension (revision) of the Latin Vulgate.
These four are all late manuscripts. They are a 16th century ms
(#61), a 12th century ms (#88) which had the passage written in the
margin by a modern hand, a 15th century ms (#629), and an 11th
century ms which has the passage written in the margin by a 17th
century hand. 2. The passage is not quoted by any of the Greek Fathers who would
have employed it as proof in the Trinitarian controversies (Arian and
Sabellian) had they known of the section. Its first appearance in
Greek is in a Greek version of the (Latin) Acts of the Latern Council
in 1215. 3. The section is not present in the mss of all the ancient versions
except the Latin. Even then, it is not found in the Old Latin in its
early form and it is not in Jerome's Vulgate (c.405). This
interpretation, they tell us, may have been written as a marginal
note at first and, as time went on, found its way into the text.
Moorman, When The KJV Departs From The "Majority" Text, op. cit., pp. 115-123.
D.A. Carson -- “Although Erasmus published a fourth and fifth edition, we need say no more about them here. Erasmus’s Greek Testament stands in line behind the King James Version; yet IT RESTS UPON A HALF DOZEN MINUSCULE MANUSCRIPTS, none of which is earlier than the tenth century. ... the textual basis of the TR is a small number of haphazardly and relatively late minuscule manuscripts” (D.A. Carson, The King James Version Debate, 1979, pp. 35-36).
 
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Only two were cast into the Lake of fire The rest of the dead became a feast for the birds They were clearly not cast into the lake of fire
Concentrate on the words the kings , and their armies
1+1= 2
Jas_3:7  For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
Rev 19:21  And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. 
And the remnant - The remainder of the assembled hosts - the army at large, in contradistinction from the leaders. [BARNES]
The rest (hoi loipoi). Of the enemy (the kings and their hosts of Rev_19:19).[RWP]
 
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Okay! How about the Johann Comma? That is included in most of them. The King James Version; yet IT RESTS UPON A HALF DOZEN MINUSCULE MANUSCRIPTS, none of which is earlier than the tenth century. ... the textual basis of the TR is a small number of haphazardly and relatively late minuscule manuscripts
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth - This is a part of the text, which, if the reasoning above is correct, is to be omitted. The genuine passage reads, 1Jn 5:7, “For there are three that bear record (or witness, μαρτυροῦντες marturountes) - the Spirit, and the water, and the blood.” There is no reference to the fact that it is done “in earth.” The phrase was introduced to correspond with what was said in the interpolated passage, that there are three that bear record “in heaven.” [BARNES] e-Sword - the Sword of the Lord with an electronic edge
The embolded portion of the passage is omitted from the NIV and RSV and is footnoted or missing in nearly all modern versions, reading instead, "There are three that bear record, the Spirit, and the water and the blood" or something closely akin
The embolded portion .in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: andthese three are one. 8. And there are three that bear witness in earth
Dr. J.A. Moorman – a dedicated Godly minister, capsuling the posture of
modern textual criticism which insists upon the omission of the passage,
has set forth the following particulars:1
1. The passage is missing from every known Greek manuscript except
four, and these contain the passage in what appears to be a
translation from a late recension (revision) of the Latin Vulgate.
These four are all late manuscripts. They are a 16th century ms
(#61), a 12th century ms (#88) which had the passage written in the
margin by a modern hand, a 15th century ms (#629), and an 11th
century ms which has the passage written in the margin by a 17th
century hand. 2. The passage is not quoted by any of the Greek Fathers who would
have employed it as proof in the Trinitarian controversies (Arian and
Sabellian) had they known of the section. Its first appearance in
Greek is in a Greek version of the (Latin) Acts of the Latern Council
in 1215. 3. The section is not present in the mss of all the ancient versions
except the Latin. Even then, it is not found in the Old Latin in its
early form and it is not in Jerome's Vulgate (c.405). This
interpretation, they tell us, may have been written as a marginal
note at first and, as time went on, found its way into the text.
Moorman, When The KJV Departs From The "Majority" Text, op. cit., pp. 115-123.
D.A. Carson -- “Although Erasmus published a fourth and fifth edition, we need say no more about them here. Erasmus’s Greek Testament stands in line behind the King James Version; yet IT RESTS UPON A HALF DOZEN MINUSCULE MANUSCRIPTS, none of which is earlier than the tenth century. ... the textual basis of the TR is a small number of haphazardly and relatively late minuscule manuscripts” (D.A. Carson, The King James Version Debate, 1979, pp. 35-36).
No. Not interested

ONE TEACHER is sufficient and when HE teaches, we don't need any other
 
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But you have to finish the story didn't I tell you to move on to revelation 20

And not only that
They were killed and these who became food for the fowls went to the wrong party and had no part in the first resurrection

They will rise again with the rest of the dead who are resurrected, yes

But after the 1000 year reign when Satan is let lose one again and has another chance to harvest the men who rebelled during the 1000 year reign (who will have no one to blame their iniquity on but themselves, since Satan during a time of peace was locked up)
 
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should we take a look at those types of people who died prior to the 1000 year reign and after it?

When they are raised to be judged, what do you think the outcome of the fate of those who fought against the saints prior to the 1000 year reign and those who rebelled after the 1000 year of peaceful reign?
 
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