[OPEN] tag in a thread title - opening a thread in the Christian-Only area!

meebs · Mar 27, 2006

this is cool

Nightson · Mar 27, 2006

Yay for Erwin!

Dracil · Mar 27, 2006

BTW, apparently the [open] tag is incompatible with the URL tag, which means it's impossible to properly link to [open] threads.

Victory of the Cross · Mar 27, 2006

the link gets there, just the name acts weird, i tested and you can always use the hyperlink to do it which i am going to use

USincognito · Mar 27, 2006

You can't make a proper hyperlink, but by posting the URL, it does create one. Now the question is, if we link to CF from an outside site, will the URL link properly?

drstevej · Mar 27, 2006

Erwin said:
Okay, there are times when you may want to open a thread in a Christian-only forums to non-Christians. How would you do it?

Just add [OPEN] in the thread title, and a non-Christian would be able to post in the thread, even if the thread is in a Christian-only forum. Don't put this thread, and the thread will remain closed.

This is good for the Pub or Alehouse fellowship threads, but I'm sure there are other purposes for this as well.

I assume any OC can start an [OPEN] thread.

Is this not a loop-hole enabling a by-pass rule 6?

A UC only has to find a single OC willing to [OPEN] any topic in a OC area by posting an [OPEN] thread and rule 6 is gone for that topic.

Only 6.6 topics would still be restricted to non-OC areas, but threads on the Trinity can now be [OPEN]ed and the anti-Trinitarians can move their attacks from UTD to GT.

Ironically, anti-Trinitarians can use this tactic to promote their UC views, but full preterists can not use this tactic to discuss their views in Eschatology.

Or are you waiving rule 6.6 restrictions too and allowing [OPEN] discussion of these in GT???

I think this is well intentioned but it is a significant departure from Rule 6.

Swart · Mar 27, 2006

USincognito said:
You can't make a proper hyperlink, but by posting the URL, it does create one. Now the question is, if we link to CF from an outside site, will the URL link properly?

Just use the thread number and not the name - it can safely be edited out.

eg: http://www.christianforums.com/t2833025

USincognito · Mar 27, 2006

Swart, I noticed that, thanks for pointing it out to others reading the thread since I did not. It's a testament to Erwin's coding mastry that the URLs look funny, but still function.

DrSteveJ, I'm not Erwin, Alpha staff or anyone with a dog in the hunt, but I think there are parsimonious answers to your questions. For one, someone who starts a {open} thread for the sole purpose of allowing none rule 6'ers to post to it is violating rule 1 prohibitions against trolling... which ultimately is what they are doing in facilitating a troll, even if they aren't the one's posting them.

Is a see the function of the {open} tag the provision is that "you can post here" does not mean people can post whatever they want or violate the rules in the various subforums. I mean if you really want to take the "accomodationist" view to it's illogical conclusion, and Open thread in OBOB would ostensibly allow a Baptist to rant about transformation of the host or contraception or a radical Mormon to rant about polygamy in the Life Stages forum.

I just don't see that being allowed under the {open} provisions. The subforum rules trump what amounts to a code allowance for threads trying to be as open as possible.

CPman2004 · Mar 27, 2006

The main purpose behind any open thread is fellowship. The tags shouldn't be used to invite debate and what not.

On a side note.... The Christian Teen Forum has opened a thread where Christian and Non-Rule 6 teens can hangout together. It is one of the threads stickied in that forum.

drstevej · Mar 27, 2006

It would be helpful to have a clear official statement of who can post [OPEN] threads, and where and under what groundrules.

Increasingly CF is operating upon rules that never find there way into the official site rules. This causes confusion. Members look in the rules section when they have a question. When it is incomplete or inaccurate it leads to conflict -- especially when staff enforce rules that are unwritten or are buried pages deep in the Announcement Forum.

nyj · Mar 27, 2006

drstevej said:
It would be helpful to have a clear official statement of who can post [OPEN] threads, and where and under what groundrules.

Only Christians can start [OPEN] threads in the Christian Only fora. We'll hash out the details in the rules, but it was meant for fellowship (that was the context for which it was requested), not debate.

insaneinthebrain · Mar 27, 2006

drstevej said:
It would be helpful to have a clear official statement of who can post [OPEN] threads, and where and under what groundrules.

Increasingly CF is operating upon rules that never find there way into the official site rules. This causes confusion. Members look in the rules section when they have a question. When it is incomplete or inaccurate it leads to conflict -- especially when staff enforce rules that are unwritten or are buried pages deep in the Announcement Forum.

Actually, Erwin has modified rule 6.4:

6.4 You will NOT post in the "Christians Only" forums (but may post in all other forums) and will NOT use a "Christian" faith icon in your profile if you do NOT consider yourself a Christian (including but not limited to atheists, agnostics, or members of another faith or religion like Buddhism, Hinduism or Islam). The exception is that you may not post in the Unorthodox Theological Doctrines forum as that is only for those who fall within Rules 6.5 and 6.6, or reply to posts in Questions by Non-Christians where only those who fall within Rule 6.6 can answer. A further exception would be any thread with the tag [OPEN] in its title in these forums.

As nyj has stated, this is for fellowship purposes. Otherwise, it pretty much defeats the purpose of having a Christian Only section.

Henaynei · Mar 27, 2006

thank you for the clarification INTB that helps

drstevej · Mar 27, 2006

Thanks IITB I did not note the 6.4 change.

Perhaps it could say...

6.4 You will NOT post in the "Christians Only" forums (but may post in all other forums) and will NOT use a "Christian" faith icon in your profile if you do NOT consider yourself a Christian (including but not limited to atheists, agnostics, or members of another faith or religion like Buddhism, Hinduism or Islam). The exception is that you may not post in the “Unorthodox Theological Doctrines” forum as that is only for those who fall within Rules 6.5 and 6.6, or reply to posts in “Questions by Non-Christians” where only those who fall within Rule 6.6 can answer. A further exception would be any thread with the tag [OPEN] in its title in these forums, where only fellowship posts may be made.

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That would make it clear.

debi b · Mar 27, 2006

Erwin and

Thank you

Erwin · Mar 27, 2006

drstevej said:
Thanks IITB I did not note the 6.4 change.

Perhaps it could say...

That would make it clear.

Good idea - done.

drstevej · Mar 27, 2006

Erwin said:
Good idea - done.

Thanks, Erwin.
Steve

meebs · Mar 28, 2006

i am now confused

so i cant talk about some points of the bible id a christian allows us? (not debating against it i mean.. just stuff that interests me?)

Chrysalis Kat · Mar 28, 2006

jellybean said:
i am now confused

so i cant talk about some points of the bible id a christian allows us? (not debating against it i mean.. just stuff that interests me?)

Good question.
More and more this new policy isn't looking like it is going to provide the arena for type of real discussions we thought it was intented to foster.

drstevej · Mar 28, 2006

Chrysalis Kat said:
Good question.
More and more this new policy isn't looking like it is going to provide the arena for type of real discussions we thought it was intented to foster.

You were wanting Rule 6 swept aside by an [OPEN] tag?

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