Only way?

[miknik5]

Of course you're not a high priest!

That position is filled

 

[miknik5]

Only those who are in Christ.

And you as a priest before GOD...what is your ministry

 

[Tree of Life]

@Albion can you not answer my question?

If Abraham did not believe in Jesus how can he be said to be saved?

 

[miknik5]

Have you read Hebrews?

Do you believe that HE entered in for us by way of THE TRUE PARALLEL AND PROMISED "VEIL"?

 

[miknik5]

@Albion can you not answer my question?

If Abraham did not believe in Jesus how can he be said to be saved?

He will tell you that he is.
You don't believe that GOD went back to redeem all those who were waiting for THE PROMISE.

And took back the keys to both hades and death.


Which is why THE GOSPEL is preached now and is for the living

 

[Albion]

@Albion can you not answer my question?

If Abraham did not believe in Jesus how can he be said to be saved?

He found favor with Jehovah God, just as Moses and other of the Patriarchs did. None of them knew Jesus, and none of them was permitted to go to heaven UNTIL Jesus made his sacrifice for sins on the cross.

 

[Tree of Life]

He found favor with Jehovah God, just as Moses and other of the Patriarchs did. None of them knew Jesus, and none of them was permitted to go to heaven UNTIL Jesus made his sacrifice for sins on the cross.

Connecting the speculative dots.

Abraham knew Jesus because he knew Yahweh. He did not know him as clearly as we do, but he knew him nonetheless.

 

[Albion]

But here's another way to approach this: Jesus is Yahweh. Yahweh is Jesus. So if Abraham believes in Yahweh then he believes in Jesus.

...which would mean that you've given up the argument that Abraham believed in Jesus because he believed in a future event...and switched to arguing that he knew Jesus at the moment he trusted Jehovah. That's an interesting switch, even if we don't mention the obvious flaw in it: Jehovah is NOT Jesus, the Father is not the Son.

Connecting the speculative dots.

Abraham knew Jesus because he knew Yahweh. He did not know him as clearly as we do, but he knew him nonetheless.

It's speculative, all right.

You have a nice day now, hear?

 

[miknik5]

Well that was interesting.

I am even more confused

Tree of life, you post a thread that asks only way?
You claim to understand that we need the right covering yet I am not getting a clear understanding of what you truly stand on


One FOUNDATION therefore ONE HOUSE being built

ONE DOOR unto THAT HOUSE

Correct?
Or no?

 

[miknik5]

And by the way

All these promises were given to whom?

Those who had the WORDS of GOD

And yet THE PROMISE is recognized and received by all those who believe that all GOD's PROMISES are (amen and yes) to those who are in CHRIST JESUS

 

[Tree of Life]

That's an interesting switch, even if we don't mention the obvious flaw in it: Jehovah is NOT Jesus, the Father is not the Son.

You, sir, are confused. Here you depart from all orthodoxy and from the teachings of your own church. Yahweh is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. So, yes, Jesus is Yahweh.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You, sir, are confused. Here you depart from all orthodoxy and from the teachings of your own church. Yahweh is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. So, yes, Jesus is Yahweh.

I like both Tree of Life and Albion. What do I do? OH, DEAR!! This is going to be interesting!

 

[Tree of Life]

John, for one, makes this point pretty explicit. John 8:58 Jesus says: "Before Abraham was, I AM". As many know, the "I am" here and in several other places in John is ego eimi. The LXX translates "Yahweh" in the famous Exodus 3:14 passage as, you guessed it, ego eimi.

 

[zippy2006]

OK! So, in effect, Jesus Christ isn't the only way - for those not knowing about Him. What about Muslims, for example, who do regard Jesus highly but consider Him to be a great prophet only?

Rather, all who are saved are saved through Jesus Christ, whether they know it or not. Those who have not heard the Gospel yet still seek God with a sincere heart are being led by Jesus even though they don't know his name.

 

[ScottA]

What about people? Will they cease to exist or not? What exactly happens to them? Who weren't born of the Spirit.

I answered that: The end is the end.

 

[daughterofthemosthigh7]

haven't gotten it by now? then you never will...

 

[mark kennedy]

Sorry, I didn't understand what happens to those who haven't heard the gospel. Are they judge by the law of their conscience? Or do they go to perdition because they weren't raised at the return of Christ?

God saves people throughout the tribulation and the 1000 year reign of Christ, he saves people at the Great White Throne judgment. We know people are saved there because of the parable of the sheep and goats and, those on the right are saved. Now as for the law, it never provided righteousness, it bears witness to a righteousness that is by faith. This person who never heard the gospel or learned the law still has the revelation of God's divine attributes, eternal nature and also the witness of conscience:

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. (Rom. 1: 18-21)
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The Scriptures make it clear that God judges based on the condition of the heart, something we won't understand till the last day:

Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God. (1 Cor. 4:5)
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In Romans Moses quotes from the law, apparently we are not supposed to ask who is going to hell and who is going to heaven:

But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) or, “‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved (Rom. 10:6-9)
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I like to look around here for Bible studies and the one thing I always look for is the gospel. People speak of persons of faith but in a Christian context faith in Christ is what differentiates between religious Christians and those who know him personally. Paul is telling us here, this is how 'the righteousness of faith speaks', avoiding the trappings of speculations concerning final judgment and proclaiming the gospel, sowing the word in the hearts of whosoever will. We know that God saves everyone that can be saved, at final judgment unless they have permanently ruined their souls by hardening their heart against the revelation they do have, the light that comes to every soul that comes into the world, along with their witness of conscience, God can save them at final judgment. We cannot know for sure, which is why are are to judge nothing before the appointed time. We are trusting God for our salvation so we must trust him to judge righteously on the final day.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[daughterofthemosthigh7]

And these "Christian" forums for the most part are bogus and anything but...
And truth hurts but harsh reality is-- less of us get it than most--
And Jesus is coming soon and less of us are going and more are gonna be left behind-- that's just the way it goes-- END OF STORY.
Wake up-- today is the day of your salvation.

 

[Just_a_Joe]

haven't gotten it by now? then you never will...

So rude!

*ignored*

 

[Just_a_Joe]

I answered that: The end is the end.

People mean different things by the end.