Only two covenants are presented in the New Testament

[Timtofly]

You'll notice that Bro. Ironside said nothing about Israel or stumbling in his commentary on verse 34.

You need to exhume and chastise him for nitpicking.

Sorry, but he mentioned such facts both in the Luke commentary and the Romans commentary. It was on his mind, even if you declare you know Ironside's mind on the matter.

I suppose you condemn all other NT authors for not using the words "stumble" and "fall" just like Paul did. Was not Paul talking about a certain event, or are you going to deny Paul's intent as well?

 

[keras]

Dry bones are not former dead people. Dry bones are symbolic of wayward physical living Israel.

But with this belief, you fail to see how it is now ONLY Christians who are the Israel of God. Galatians 6:14-16
Nationality and ethnicity have nothing to do with who are the people of God.
The 'dry bones' are the people regenerated by accepting the Gospel of Jesus. Many are actual descendants of Jacob, God only knows. Amos 9:9

 

[jgr]

Sorry, but he mentioned such facts both in the Luke commentary and the Romans commentary. It was on his mind, even if you declare you know Ironside's mind on the matter.

I suppose you condemn all other NT authors for not using the words "stumble" and "fall" just like Paul did. Was not Paul talking about a certain event, or are you going to deny Paul's intent as well?

Neither Paul nor Ironside nor yourself wrote Luke 23:34.

Its author said nothing about Israel or stumbling.

He wasn't a dispen delusionist.

 

[Guojing]

Inaccurately. Why don't you just accept what Jesus said instead of taking other scripture out of context. He very clearly said that those who are not with Him are against Him. Two groups. Saved and lost. Very simple.

Ever consider that the one taking scripture "out of context", may actually be yourself?

 

[Timtofly]

But with this belief, you fail to see how it is now ONLY Christians who are the Israel of God. Galatians 6:14-16
Nationality and ethnicity have nothing to do with who are the people of God.
The 'dry bones' are the people regenerated by accepting the Gospel of Jesus. Many are actual descendants of Jacob, God only knows. Amos 9:9

Well the church is not physically wayward Israel. Nor is it made up of former physically wayward Israel. That is a corporate view.

The church is not made up of anything former, except individual humans once slaves to sin. It does not matter who they were as being Jew or Gentile. It was what they were as sinners.

For a current living wayward physical Israel the outcome would be in the church or in the millennium. Even these 144k Jewish male virgins are still slaves to sin, until they are sealed by God out of sin. They are not sinless humans without parents. They will leave family and friends behind to follow the Lamb. There is no guarantee that their parents will be sheep instead of goats.


Not denying any spiritual applications. The fact is the time is now, prophecy will be physically fulfilled.

 

[Timtofly]

Neither Paul nor Ironside nor yourself wrote Luke 23:34.

Its author said nothing about Israel or stumbling.

He wasn't a dispen delusionist.

Are you still complaining that Jesus forgave them?

 

[jgr]

Are you still complaining that Jesus forgave them?

Are you still hallucinating about "stumbling Israel"?

 

[keras]

Well the church is not physically wayward Israel. Nor is it made up of former physically wayward Israel. That is a corporate view.

As the lost tribes of Israel remain scattered among the nations and it was them who Jesus came to save, then it follows that Christians are mainly descendants of Jacob.

Are you still complaining that Jesus forgave them?

Nowhere did Jesus forgive the Jews. They cursed themselves, Matthew 27:25 and Jesus said he would slaughter them. Luke 19:27

The people who falsely call themselves Jews and have established the Jewish State of Israel, also face their virtual demise. Isaiah 22:1-14, Ezekiel 21:1-8, Jeremiah 10:18, Zephaniah 1:1-18, Romans 9:27

 

[Timtofly]

Are you still hallucinating about "stumbling Israel"?

Jesus forgave them for what they were doing, were they stumbling as Paul stated?

Interesting you point out using drugs and reading God's Word going hand in hand. Thought never crossed my mind. Hopefully never comes back either.

 

[jgr]

Jesus forgave them for what they were doing, were they stumbling as Paul stated?

Interesting you point out using drugs and reading God's Word going hand in hand. Thought never crossed my mind. Hopefully never comes back either.

Jesus forgave the Jewish rulers and Roman soldiers, present at and responsible for, His crucifixion. They were the "them" to whom He referred.

There is no reference, explicit or implicit, to a "stumbling Israel".

It's entirely possible to hallucinate without drugs.

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus forgave the Jewish rulers and Roman soldiers, present at and responsible for, His crucifixion. They were the "them" to whom He referred.

There is no reference, explicit or implicit, to a "stumbling Israel".

It's entirely possible to hallucinate without drugs.

If you say so.

You still have not dis-proven what Paul said.

 

[jgr]

If you say so.

You still have not dis-proven what Paul said.

That's because Paul didn't write Luke 23:34.

As I've said before.

 

[jgr]

If you say so.

You still have not dis-proven what Paul said.

Brother Spiritual Jew has previously dealt very capably with what Paul said.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Ever consider that the one taking scripture "out of context", may actually be yourself?

No, not really. Thanks for asking.

 

[Timtofly]

That's because Paul didn't write Luke 23:34.

As I've said before.

So forgiveness is not forgiveness?

 

[jgr]

So forgiveness is not forgiveness?

So post 350 is not post 350?

 

[Timtofly]

So post 350 is not post 350?

Not if God's forgiveness is only based on your interpretation instead of God’s.

 

[jgr]

Not if God's forgiveness is only based on your interpretation instead of God’s.

Do you think you know God's interpretation of Luke 23:34?

 

[Timtofly]

Yes, I do.

"Avraham replied, “God will provide Himself the lamb for a burnt offering, my son.”