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It is a matter of maturity and experience. The Spirit bears witness with our spirits. When I speak with a born again Christian, the mouth will speak from the abundance of the heart, and it is easy to tell who walks with Christ and who does not. Labels are meaningless. I don't care what denomination he or she comes from, I can tell. Jesus said, My sheep know my voice. When Jesus speaks through another person, you can tell Jesus is there in that person if you are one of His sheep.A lot of people think they have it. False teachers don't.
Choked in what way
What about Job 13:7-8?Of course God is one. Nobody is disputing that. I said the Bible never mentions that God is "one person", and it doesn't. It doesn't say that. You will no more find the Bible saying "God is one person" than you will it saying "God is three persons". It says neither in so many words.
-CryptoLutheran
biblehub shows 28 translations including the KJV and here is it's result of which words are used in translations
divine/divinity/deity 18
Godhead 6
God/He/His 4
clearly divine/divinity/deity is not my "just one solo guy" opinion. These translations were "double checked" as well so what makes the process behind the KJV that much better that it trumps everything else? Who said Godhead = the trinity anyways, causYou may say that you believe in the KJV as the prime modern authority on scripture but doing so would discredit you as being bias. This just turns into a broken record of you saying whatever the KJV says is correct regardless what anything else says to the contrary including the original greek and this argument apparently is supposed to silence the matter. And it's just not what the KJV says but also you're interpretation of the KJV. Well, I can't participate in a dialogue that goes on like this. I get your rules are "according to the KJV". It's your OP so your rules... sure that's fine just state your conditions in the OP that you only accept the KJV and only your interpretation of it... since I don't agree I'm not going to play along.
1. Yes throughout the Gospel the son speaks o the father, but the father was in him and he was in the father and they are one. If a man has seen the son he has seen the father. They are the same being but each form(father, son, holy spirit) with a different purpose a different function. Just as water has different forms but remains water still, each form appears different but is still only just water.
John 10:30, 36-38
30 I and my Father are one.
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
John 14:9-11
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Collosians 1:14-15
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Collosians 2:8-9
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Romans 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
2. The word of God is Christ and he indeed became flesh because that is his function/purpose. But he is still one and the same with the father and the holy spirit.
3. He has a different purpose than the father does, but that is the only difference between son and father one does one thing the other another but they remain the same.
4. And i agree there is love when the Lord as the Father says he loves the son( not in that he loves himself as if prideful) he loves the other as his son since that is the form he took on, the form of one that is a servant.
from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations#Oneness_Pentecostalism
Oneness Pentecostalism
Main article: Oneness Pentecostalism
Affirming Pentecostal Church International
Apostolic Assemblies of Christ
Apostolic Assembly of the Faith in Christ Jesus
Apostolic Gospel Church of Jesus Christ
Apostolic Overcoming Holy Church of God
Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ
Bible Way Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ
Christ Gospel Churches International
Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith
Pentecostal Assemblies of the World
True Jesus Church
United Pentecostal Church International
I was under the impression that Oneness and United Pentecostal Church were the same -- here it is merely one of several pentecostal denominations
This makes sense.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostalism
The ambiguity of the term "person" has been noted by both Oneness and Trinitarian proponents as a source of conflict.[16] This issue is addressed by Trinitarian scholar and Christian apologist Alister McGrath:
"The word ‘person’ has changed its meaning since the third century when it began to be used in connection with the ‘threefoldness of God’. When we talk about God as a person, we naturally think of God as being one person. But theologians such as Tertullian, writing in the third century, used the word ‘person’ with a different meaning. The word ‘person’ originally derives from the Latin word persona, meaning an actor’s face-mask—and, by extension, the role which he takes in a play. By stating that there were three persons but only one God, Tertullian was asserting that all three major roles in the great drama of human redemption are played by the one and the same God. The three great roles in this drama are all played by the same actor: God. Each of these roles may reveal God in a somewhat different way, but it is the same God in every case. So when we talk about God as one person, we mean one person in the modern sense of the word, and when we talk about God as three persons, we mean three persons in the ancient sense of the word. ... Confusing these two senses of the word ‘person’ inevitably leads to the idea that God is actually a committee."[17]
McGrath is helpful here in contrasting modern with ancient sense of persona.
Tertullian is not the earliest theologian to speak of a Trinity, but was the first to use the word in Latin (trinitas)
An earlier guy, Theophilus, wrote of a trinity concept using Father, Word and Wisdom rather than Father Son and Holy Ghost.
The UPCI is simply the largest, or at least the most widely recognized of the Oneness Pentecostal groups.
Thank you for doing this Jason.Well, I finally created a thread on Apollinarism, my friends. Meaning, I created a thread discussion on how Jesus had one divine mind (or one divine nature) which inhabited a real human flesh and blood body (i.e. the Word was made flesh).
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/apollinarism-jesus-had-one-divine-mind-one-nature.8077788/
May God bless you both today.
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