One thing never evolves into something else!

[Mallon]

No, I said in the 1600 years from creation to the flood, not in the flood.

Fair enough. Sounds to me like you seem to think that all the evolution "from kinds" seems to have occurred before Noah's Flood, then. Haven't heard that before.

What about the earth was different between Creation and the Flood that allowed for such extensive sedimentary successions to be deposited? Why so much death in that small amount of time?

Again, I am not suggesting flood geology was the culprit. Most of it as I understand it was pre flood.

What suggests this to you?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Fair enough. Sounds to me like you seem to think that all the evolution "from kinds" seems to have occurred before Noah's Flood, then. Haven't heard that before.

What about the earth was different between Creation and the Flood that allowed for such extensive sedimentary successions to be deposited? Why so much death in that small amount of time?

Whatever difference dad needs to make what he thinks is an answer to your question will be made up on the spot whether or not it conflicts with some other property he came up with. He thinks that continents moved at great speed either generating no heat or great heat depending on whether he wants the heat or wants to be rid of it. He as claimed that salt deposits such those in Michigan were brought up through the ground by mist as ridiculous as that is. He has claimed that there was no gravity before the flood and of course no radioactive decay. He also claims that forests could spring up virtually overnight and that the fossil record, including the record of marine fossils was deposited by the burial of animals migrating out of Eden. These are actually some of his relatively less goofy claims as goofy as they are. He recently said the he is bulletproof to science. This is because he just makes up whatever new property of his presplit fantasy world he needs on the spot. There is no point in discussing anything with him as you will quickly learn. That is why so many people have put him on ignore and why he is the only person I have ever put on ignore. I recommend you save yourself some time and do the same.

 

[dad]

Whatever difference dad needs to make what he thinks is an answer to your question will be made up on the spot whether or not it conflicts with some other property he came up with. He thinks that continents moved at great speed either generating no heat or great heat depending on whether he wants the heat or wants to be rid of it. He as claimed that salt deposits such those in Michigan were brought up through the ground by mist as ridiculous as that is. He has claimed that there was no gravity before the flood and of course no radioactive decay. He also claims that forests could spring up virtually overnight and that the fossil record, including the record of marine fossils was deposited by the burial of animals migrating out of Eden. These are actually some of his relatively less goofy claims as goofy as they are. He recently said the he is bulletproof to science. This is because he just makes up whatever new property of his presplit fantasy world he needs on the spot. There is no point in discussing anything with him as you will quickly learn. That is why so many people have put him on ignore and why he is the only person I have ever put on ignore. I recommend you save yourself some time and do the same.

I understand that losing after 8 years as undefeated is not easy. I'll try not to gloat.

 

[Apos]

" This message is hidden because dad is on your ignore list."

Of course, that's not totally effective. You might have to start putting people that respond to him on ignore too.

 

[Mallon]

I understand that losing after 8 years as undefeated is not easy. I'll try not to gloat.

Because you claim it, does that make it so?
Please answer my questions.

 

[dad]

Fair enough. Sounds to me like you seem to think that all the evolution "from kinds" seems to have occurred before Noah's Flood, then. Haven't heard that before.

Both. I would think adapting was needed after the flood as well.

What about the earth was different between Creation and the Flood that allowed for such extensive sedimentary successions to be deposited? Why so much death in that small amount of time?

Death entered the world through the sin of Adam. That is why so much death. The difference in the earth in the future when heaven comes and now is very great. Sun not decaying away, people living forever, trees with 12 kinds of fruit growing on the same tree. Plant rate growth so fast, that a different fruit grows each month of the year on the one tree! A different light around, so that those in His city need no light of the sun. A whole new universe, with this one passing away.
My point is that maybe this new universe was here in the past, in a way. We had rapid plant growth, because trees were made 3 days before we needed to eat them, and the garden was planted. WE had Adm living forever, (if he had not disobeyed) -this is impossible in the present world. To make a long story short, a universe where the spiritual was included, and part of matter. This made everything diferent. No universal decay of matter, rapid evolution, a different light, and speed, etc etc etc etc. A time came 100 years after the flood that God seperated the spiritual, we are left in a temporary universe, that is physical only. One day, when the new heavens appear, and these ones pass away as the bible says -it will again be merged! That's how.

 

[dad]

" This message is hidden because dad is on your ignore list."

Of course, that's not totally effective. You might have to start putting people that respond to him on ignore too.

Of course maybe one day, burying one's head in the sand would be the only logical recourse!

 

[dad]

Because you claim it, does that make it so?
Please answer my questions.

That was for frumy. I did answer your questions.

 

[Mallon]

...My point is that maybe this new universe was here in the past, in a way...

So your entire story is supported neither by the Bible, nor by science. Gotcha. You don't need to say anything more now. I know where you stand.

 

[dad]

So your entire story is supported neither by the Bible, nor by science. Gotcha. You don't need to say anything more now. I know where you stand.

False. There is a new heavens coming and this one is temporary. Gotcha.
The other differences in the future and past are also in the bible. Gotcha. You have no point, no case. Slam dunk, game over.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

So your entire story is supported neither by the Bible, nor by science. Gotcha. You don't need to say anything more now. I know where you stand.

You got it. Dad hoc the absurd's fantasies are supported by nothing but his own delusions.

 

[dad]

You got it. Dad hoc the absurd's fantasies are supported by nothing but his own delusions.

The bible, man, get with it! No wonder you headed for the hills. Pathetic.

 

[Loudmouth]

The bible, man, get with it! No wonder you headed for the hills. Pathetic.

Like I said before, sky daddy stories are not evidence, they are stories. That you use them to ignore evidence only deepens the hole you have dug for yourself.

 

[dad]

Like I said before, sky daddy stories are not evidence, they are stories. That you use them to ignore evidence only deepens the hole you have dug for yourself.

Better than the nothing zilch and zippo you have to work with for the future and past!!!!!!! Although you think assuming the present as the be all end all is your Granny given right! Some of us have God given rights, you can't dream or assume away any more. We're onto you.

 

[MarkT]

Sigh. Please, do what Aron-Ra said. Try to define "fish" in such a way that both:
1) includes characteristics shared by all fish
2) excludes amphibians.

You mean the fish category, not fish. It's an important distinction. Defining a category is not defining the fish.

I would be ignoring or minimizing the most important fact - amphibians don't have any fish characters. They have similar characters that perform similar functions but they are not fish characters.

You wouldn't call a frog a fish would you?

 

[urbanxy]

...My point is that maybe this new universe was here in the past, in a way...

I don't think you have any basis for that hypothesis. The verse you use as evidence is:

"Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind."

Taken literally, this passage would mean that whatever new heaven/earth is coming would have no resemblance whatsoever to any current or former heaven/earth. So there is no reason to believe the future is an any way indicative of the past (in addition to the fact that speculated future events cannot be used as proof of anything).

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Like I said before, sky daddy stories are not evidence, they are stories. That you use them to ignore evidence only deepens the hole you have dug for yourself.

I should have followed this advice long ago. I finally decided to take it. (and put dad on ignore)

 

[Loudmouth]

Better than the nothing zilch and zippo you have to work with for the future and past!!!!!!!

Actually, it's called empirical evidence.

Although you think assuming the present as the be all end all is your Granny given right! Some of us have God given rights, you can't dream or assume away any more. We're onto you.

Some of us have reason and logic.

 

[dad]

I should have followed this advice long ago. I finally decided to take it.

.

 

[Loudmouth]

I should have followed this advice long ago. I finally decided to take it.

I want to see how far Don Quixote will take it.