One thing never evolves into something else!

[Aron-Ra]

Wow ! Genetic divergence, speciation. You mean to tell me that evolution follows a certain set of "natural" laws ? Where did these "natural" laws come from ?
Big Hint (God ) !!

Translation: magic. In other words, you have no idea.

I find mathematics fascinating, things like the product rule for radical algebraic equations and the fact that the nth root of a product is equal to the product of the nth roots. It all seems so convenient that it must have been designed to work that way.

But-

How could it work any other way? It can't. It couldn't be any different even if God wanted it to be. So whether there is a god or not, the nth product doesn't change.

"The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable -- what then? ...Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows."
--George Orwell; Nineteen Eighty-Four

[FONT=Verdana, Helvetica]"What men usually ask for when they pray to God is, that two and two may not make four."
--Russian proverb [/FONT]

Again I invite you to learn something about evolution. Please don't be lazy and give it a try. I am sure that by the time you are done, you will believe in God again. Good Luck !!

How childish you are. I knew more about evolution at eleven than you will ever know. But I am curious about this link you keep lobbing at me.
http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper65.html
Tell me, is the Urantia book proclaimed to be the absolute truth, and the revealed word of the one true god? And where can I see verification of that online, if that is your claim?

 

[trase]

I find mathematics fascinating, things like the product rule for radical algebraic equations and the fact that the nth root of a product is equal to the product of the nth roots. It all seems so convenient that it must have been designed to work that way.

According to you nothing is designed.

How could it work any other way? It can't. It couldn't be any different even if God wanted it to be. So whether there is a god or not, the nth product doesn't change.

Random mutations of your "natural" laws should make it possible that 2+2=5

How childish you are. I knew more about evolution at eleven than you will ever know. But I am curious about this link you keep lobbing at me.
http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper65.html
Tell me, is the Urantia book proclaimed to be the absolute truth, and the revealed word of the one true god? And where can I see verification of that online, if that is your claim?

The Urantia Book is not the absolute truth because only God is the absolute Truth. However the book does claim to be " the fifth epochal revelation of truth" to the human race. It gives the "why" of evolution and its 2100 pages shed a new light on what God is and how the whole of Creation works. As I said before, after reading it, you will believe in God again.

http://www.urantia.org/

 

[Apos]

According to you nothing is designed.

Many things are designed. For instance: tractors. But there's no evidence that biological life or the universe is.

Random mutations of your "natural" laws should make it possible that 2+2=5

I'm not even sure what you could possibly mean by this.

 

[gluadys]

OK Thanks. So, it looks like hervs likely were transfered differently back then.

Great way to deal with inconvenient facts. Invent a new fantasy.

 

[JohnR7]

Many things are designed. For instance: tractors. But there's no evidence that biological life or the universe is.

A person would have to be deaf, dumb, blind and lame to say there is no evidence. You need Jesus. It is amazing how many people are dead and they do not even know it.

Matthew 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

 

[JohnR7]

How childish you are. I knew more about evolution at eleven than you will ever know.

Interesting thing about a prodigy. They excel early in life, but they never seem to progress beyond that.

 

[Aron-Ra]

Interesting thing about a prodigy. They excel early in life, but they never seem to progress beyond that.

That's funny, I thought prodigies (like Mozart for example) continued to excel. I know I did. I'm being quite serious. This is no exagguration. I knew more about evolution in 1st grade than Trase does now. But I find it fascinating, so I've studied it a lot, so that I knew more about it than any of my instructors in college so far. I think it all comes down to whether you an accurate grasp of the basics. Once you have the fundamentals, the rest is easy. But all the antievolutionists rely on fallacies, seemingly deliberate distortions of science in general. None of them have any comprehension of the very subjects they profess to be knowledgible of.

 

[Aron-Ra]

Random mutations of your "natural" laws should make it possible that 2+2=5

This doesn't make any sense. You're babbling in delerium.

The Urantia Book is not the absolute truth because only God is the absolute Truth. However the book does claim to be " the fifth epochal revelation of truth" to the human race. It gives the "why" of evolution and its 2100 pages shed a new light on what God is and how the whole of Creation works. As I said before, after reading it, you will believe in God again.

So you're saying it may not be entirely accurate. OK, how did this "revelation" come about then? And on what authority was it written?

 

[Apos]

A person would have to be deaf, dumb, blind and lame to say there is no evidence.

Again, no matter how many insults you cram into a sentence, that doesn't make it any more true.

You need Jesus. It is amazing how many people are dead and they do not even know it.

Instead of just comforting yourself with self-sealing dogma about how I'm blinded to the truth, why not actually present some sort of actual argument about truth?

 

[dad]

Great way to deal with inconvenient facts. Invent a new fantasy.

But is it really a different past reality than the one in the bible, or just an extension of it? With the long lifespans, etc, anyone can see there were a lot of differences. Allowing a transfer of a virus in a different than present fashion is better than calling the whole thing false. After all, looking at the evidence, what else could one do, short of tossing the bible out as fables? You wouldn't suggest that would you?

 

[dad]

That's funny, I thought prodigies (like Mozart for example) continued to excel. I know I did. I'm being quite serious. This is no exagguration. I knew more about evolution in 1st grade than Trase does now.

Knowing about it in no way makes it true. Three cheers to being well versed in a fable.

 

[AirPo]

Great way to deal with inconvenient facts. Invent a new fantasy.

Are you not familiar with the HI theory?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Great way to deal with inconvenient facts. Invent a new fantasy.

You have given a complete description of dadology in one sentence.

 

[Split Rock]

Knowing about it in no way makes it true. Three cheers to being well versed in a fable.

A Fable?

Do you mean like a story about a Talking Snake, a Woman made from a Rib, and A Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

That kind of fable?

 

[dad]

A Fable?

Do you mean like a story about a Talking Snake, a Woman made from a Rib, and A Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

That kind of fable?

2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. " Fable

1. a speech, word, saying

1. a narrative, story
2. a true narrative

a fiction, a fable

1. an invention, a falsehood " http://www.studylight.org/isb/view.cgi?number=3454

Telling stories of some magically appearing little first lifeform, derived from a Godless take on present only assumptions about evidence. And, taking it to an extreme even further to where they had to squish up the entire universe and stick in in a teensy speckishly small hot soup. Then, start spouting predictions of how animalistic and beastly and meaningless we are, and that our sun will burn out, and then they crash our galaxy for good measure!!!! Absurd decent into fables for sure.

 

[Split Rock]

2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. " Fable

1. a speech, word, saying

1. a narrative, story
2. a true narrative

a fiction, a fable

1. an invention, a falsehood " http://www.studylight.org/isb/view.cgi?number=3454

Telling stories of some magically appearing little first lifeform, derived from a Godless take on present only assumptions about evidence. And, taking it to an extreme even further to where they had to squish up the entire universe and stick in in a teensy speckishly small hot soup. Then, start spouting predictions of how animalistic and beastly and meaningless we are, and that our sun will burn out, and then they crash our galaxy for good measure!!!! Absurd decent into fables for sure.

But no talking animals, right? I like the fables with talking animals in them.

 

[dad]

But no talking animals, right? I like the fables with talking animals in them.

In our present world this doesn't happen. (Unless someone wants to include parrots, etc) This is why it seems like a fable that it did or will happen.
I believe Adam talked to many of the animals in Eden, and also that we will talk to them in heaven. We will have telepathic powers then, I hear, so we won't need them to vocalize it out of their mouth. We will speak if we wish with no words. They will speak right back. Of course, we can also use words as we want to. In the world to come, and the past, our physical only world limitations are gone forever. Sad that some see only that, and were not taught that things were or ever will be any different, in God's foreverland.

 

[Loudmouth]

In our present world this doesn't happen. (Unless someone wants to include parrots, etc) This is why it seems like a fable that it did or will happen.
I believe Adam talked to many of the animals in Eden, and also that we will talk to them in heaven. We will have telepathic powers then, I hear, so we won't need them to vocalize it out of their mouth. We will speak if we wish with no words. They will speak right back. Of course, we can also use words as we want to. In the world to come, and the past, our physical only world limitations are gone forever. Sad that some see only that, and were not taught that things were or ever will be any different, in God's foreverland.

So let me get this straight:

The sciences are one big fable propped up by imagination alone and supported by nothing more than fairtytales.

Talking animals and Dr. Doolittle are completely believable and are being ignored by the scientific community.

Don Quixote, you do supply some good laughs.

 

[Edx]

In our present world this doesn't happen. (Unless someone wants to include parrots, etc) This is why it seems like a fable that it did or will happen.
I believe Adam talked to many of the animals in Eden, and also that we will talk to them in heaven. We will have telepathic powers then, I hear, so we won't need them to vocalize it out of their mouth. We will speak if we wish with no words. They will speak right back. Of course, we can also use words as we want to. In the world to come, and the past, our physical only world limitations are gone forever. Sad that some see only that, and were not taught that things were or ever will be any different, in God's foreverland.

If animals can talk, does that not mean they have souls? Or do you see them as robots?

 

[dad]

So let me get this straight:

The sciences are one big fable propped up by imagination alone and supported by nothing more than fairtytales.

No. Applying science to the future or past is one big fairy tale. Or the future. Unless nothing else but the physical was at work, and you could prove it. Then we could apply physical only science to them. Indications are, that is not the case at all.

Talking animals and Dr. Doolittle are completely believable and are being ignored by the scientific community.

Telephathy and thought power in the past and future can't be ignored by science when it doesn't have the wherewithal to know a thing about them to begin with. God calls animals, they come. We know Eve communicated with the creature on the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Loose the shackles of present limitations, and free your mind to the infinite and glorious potential of the spiritual. Better than the fossil interpretations of Chares Dolittle Walcot.