One of The STRONGEST Arguments for The Sabbath ~

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

So the Pharisees got that wrong?

Yes

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If one wants to live under the law, they first have to know all 613 commandments of it . And then they have to obey all of it. Obeying 70, 80, 90% of those hundreds of commandments isn't good enough. One can remember the sabbath and keep it as holy as possible, and it will avail them not, because if they're going to live by the law, they have to live by the whole entire complete very long and complicated law. Seems some people think if they take Saturday off from work and attend a 90 minute church service they have kept the law. But they have only kept a fraction of the law. It's not anywhere near that easy to live under the law.

You do not understand what the phrase "under the law" means. No one can obey ALL of them and no one ever could...you said what you did because you do not understand it...

 

[Carl Emerson]

I think you missed the whole point of the parable.

Matthew 19 21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

The lesson here is the ruler wanted eternal life and was willing to do some of the things that are required, but he wanted Jesus on his terms, not on Jesus terms. Jesus told him to follow Him, but the ruler went away sad because he had great possessions he placed his “great possessions” over following Jesus which is breaking commandment #1. Had he followed Jesus there may have been another book in the Bible about him and he could have been another disciple.

Sadly many people misunderstand this very important parable, just like many people want God on their terms and not on God’s terms.

I am staggered that you presume folks don't understand this and you missed my point.

My point was that he kept the law but that was not enough for Jesus.

Nothing has changed - you can keep the law all you want and not follow Jesus.

Keeping the Law does not save you, following Jesus does.

 

[Aussie Pete]

“He cancels the first covenant in order to establish the second… This is the new covenant I will make with my people on that day, says the Lord: I will put my laws in their minds so they will understand them, and I will write them on their hearts so they will obey them.” {Hebrews 10:9 & 16; also 8:7-10 NLT}

Under the Old Covenant God's law was written on tables of stone.

Under the New Covenant God's law is written in our hearts.

"This is the love of God, that we keep his commandments." {1 John 5:3}

You don't know that that means in reality. Try observing the sabbath when you are on a warship in enemy territory. I was responsible for maintaining a system vital to the defence of the ship. 250 lives. "Sorry, it's the sabbath" was not acceptable. The love of God for those men overrode my religious duty to the law of Moses. God has not chosen to write the Sabbath law on my heart. Lord Jesus said that the sabbath is made for man, not the other way round.

Galatians 5:18. It's in your Bible too, unless you've torn those pages out.

 

[The Narrow Way]

Jesus was made a curse, so we might be blessed.
Are you now making you a curse by carrying a cross? Are putting Jesus into open shame? Did He do the work, not you?
Just something to think about for all who are focused on law.

No Sunshinee777, the CROSS is only heavy when you try to carry it yourself. None of us can be obedient on our own....but WITH JESUS, EVERYTHING is POSSIBLE. Jesus Himself said, "Go and SIN NO MORE." I believe He meant EXACTLY what He said. If we stay close to Him, and depend on Him, He will help us to carry the CROSS and we won't find it a BURDEN. Instead, we will find that we LOVE OBEYING HIM.

 

[Aussie Pete]

So the Pharisees got that wrong?

Yes, it was their interpretation of the law, not actually stated in the Bible.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

"Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.

...there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.

This Word is not for just one day of the week.

Today means every day.

We honour Him every day not just one in seven.

We rest in Him every day not just one in seven.

By focusing on the one you miss the permanent rest He is offering.

Why would you not want a deep permanent rest with Him?

I feel sorry that you seem to have missed this special gift.

Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart and miss His permanent rest.

What this means “Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.” is just that. “Today” meaning don’t delay when you hear the truth to start obeying, don’t put it off another day but “today” when you hear His voice - don’t harden your heart from the truth. This verse is not declaring any day is God’s Sabbath day. God defined when the Sabbath is very clearly from the beginning. Genesis 2:1-3 and God only references the seventh day as the holy day of the Lord thy God Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 and God wants us to work six days like He did Exodus 20:9 as our example and keep holy the same day that is holy to God. Exodus 20:8

Today if you hear this do not harden your heart!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I am staggered that you presume folks don't understand this and you missed my point.

My point was that he kept the law but that was not enough for Jesus.

Nothing has changed - you can keep the law all you want and not follow Jesus.

Keeping the Law does not save you, following Jesus does.

Than why don’t you follow Jesus who kept the Sabbath going to church as it was His custom reading God’s Word? Jesus kept all of the commandments and asked us to as well. John 14:15, John 15:10 I again think you misunderstand the parable meaning. Keeping the law is not how we are saved. We keep the law out of love for Jesus Matthew 14:15 1 John 5:3 and obedience is a fruit of our faith.

Luke 4:16 So He (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”

20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

 

[honestal]

There has to be some misunderstanding somewhere ...

because the same Paul who in Romans 3 says we're not under the law, and who also in Romans 3 says:

“No one can ever be made right in God’s sight by doing what his law commands… We are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law… There is only one way of being accepted by him. He makes people right with Himself only by faith.” (vs. 20, 28 ,30)

then finishes the chapter by saying--in no uncertain terms:

"Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.” {Romans 3:31 NASB}

(All translations have Paul making it very clear that faith doesn't do away with the law.)

“Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” {Romans 3:31 KJV}

“So do we destroy the law by following the way of faith? No! Faith causes us to be what the law truly wants.” {Romans 3:31 NCV}

“Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of Course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.” {Romans 3:31 NLT}

(I think it's obvious that Paul saw what people were going to do--think that he was doing away with the law because of what he said earlier in chapter 3--and met it in verse 31.)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So the Pharisees got that wrong?

You mean the ones spying on Jesus and plotting to kill him?

 

[Carl Emerson]

What this means “Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.” is just that. “Today” meaning don’t delay when you hear the truth to start obeying, don’t put it off another day but “today” when you hear His voice - don’t harden your heart from the truth. This verse is not declaring any day is God’s Sabbath day. God defined when the Sabbath is very clearly from the beginning. Genesis 2:1-3 and God only references the seventh day as the holy day of the Lord thy God Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13 and God wants us to work six days like He did Exodus 20:9 as our example and keep holy the same day that is holy to God. Exodus 20:8

Today if you hear this do not harden your heart!

You miss the point that God exists outside of chronological time and He is experiencing Sabbath Rest now - otherwise He couldn't offer that we join with Him in this rest today regardless of which chronological day that is.
That is why we can respond to Him any day by faith and accept the invitation to be together with Him in Sabbath Rest. This Sabbath rest is not tied to one chronological day at all.
Today if you hear His voice do not harden your hearts. Don't wait till Saturday to respond. Accept His invitation to enter His timeless Sabbath rest now.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You mean the ones spying on Jesus and plotting to kill him?

Yep... and Paul may very well have been among them...

 

[ozso]

If only keeping 10 to 20 or 50 or 100 or 250 commandments was enough to be saved by keeping the law, but it's not. It's all or nothing.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You miss the point that God exists outside of chronological time and He is experiencing Sabbath Rest now - otherwise He couldn't offer that we join with Him in this rest today regardless of which chronological day that is.
That is why we can respond to Him any day by faith and accept the invitation to be together with Him in Sabbath Rest. This Sabbath rest is not tied to one chronological day at all.
Today if you hear His voice do not harden your hearts. Don't wait till Saturday to respond. Accept His invitation to enter His timeless Sabbath rest now.

God gave us the Bible as His living Word. The Sabbath commandment is part of the Covenant of Ten that God personally wrote with His own hand and keeps in the Most Holy of His Temple. You are not forced to obey, God gives us free will, but just like the Israelites Ezekiel 20:13 did not enter into the gospel rest Hebrews 4:6 because they disobeyed the 4th commandment. God does not bless us by our disobedience. Your free to test this theory, but obeying God’s commandments are not burdensome to me 1 John 5:3. Jesus gave up so much so keeping the commandments and following the footsteps of Jesus who also kept the Sabbath will continue to be my example. God bless

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yep... and Paul may very well have been among them...

I prefer to stick with scripture

 

[HIM]

Following the Law of the Spirit and entering His Sabbath Rest by faith means we cease from our labour and rest in His finished work seven days - not just one.

And yet nothing from Scripture to back up this.

 

[HIM]

God is presently in the seventh day of creation and invites us to rest with Him today. (If you hear His Voice)

Nothing to back this up from Scripture either.

 

[Sunshinee777]

No Sunshinee777, the CROSS is only heavy when you try to carry it yourself. None of us can be obedient on our own....but WITH JESUS, EVERYTHING is POSSIBLE. Jesus Himself said, "Go and SIN NO MORE." I believe He meant EXACTLY what He said. If we stay close to Him, and depend on Him, He will help us to carry the CROSS and we won't find it a BURDEN. Instead, we will find that we LOVE OBEYING HIM.

I understand but what do you think about Galatians 5:4
And Galatians 5:1

 

[Danthemailman]

If only keeping 10 to 20 or 50 or 100 or 250 commandments was enough to be saved by keeping the law, but it's not. It's all or nothing.

Amen!

Galatians 3:10 - For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

James 2:10 - “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”

 

[Aussie Pete]

Than why don’t you follow Jesus who kept the Sabbath going to church as it was His custom reading God’s Word? Jesus kept all of the commandments and asked us to as well. John 14:15, John 15:10 I again think you misunderstand the parable meaning. Keeping the law is not how we are saved. We keep the law out of love for Jesus Matthew 14:15 1 John 5:3 and obedience is a fruit of our faith.

Luke 4:16 So He (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:

18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”

20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

Selective quoting of Bible verses out of context is how heresies come about. You do what your conscience dictates. If that means going to church on Saturday, that's fine. For you. For me, I'm not under law because I walk in the Spirit. I refuse to let anyone judge me in the matter of food or drink or in anything to do with the sabbath.

As to the day that lord Jesus preached, what other day would have been possible? Of course He preached on the Sabbath. That's when people met together. Pastors do not preach on Monday when no one is there. It's just that rarest of commodities, common sense.