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One more step towards equality...

stray bullet

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Originally posted by heapshake
Stray Bullet,
Do you believe sex before marriage is a sin?


Why do you ask?

what does having gay represenatives have to do with equality? There aren't any 22 year old women in congress so do they not have equality? People are sent to the House to represent all their district in a deliberative assembly. I see no reason that their sexual preferences would should have any bearing on how they decide what is best for our country anymore than their income does.

Do we need quotas in Congress?

Certainly not. Forgetting the fact that you have to be 25 to be in the House anyways, anytime a minority is not seen in government, it is viewed as an unrepresentational government. If Congress were all white males, then minorites would feel left out, as would women.

It doesn't mean that you need quotes, it's just a sign. Taking into account that 4% of people aren't straight, and only a few members of a 438 member Congress aren't straight, they are still under the normal level, so there is a still a ways to go.
 
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I asked because it pertains to whether homosexual sex is a sin if it is before marriage. I'm still up in the air on premarital sex is a sin.

Who views congress as an unrepresentational gov if minorites aren't included? Homosexuals don't only represent homosexuals. My straight male congressman represents the women in his district and the homosexuals. Are Barney Frank's straight constituants not being represented since he is gay? Homosexuals have the right to vote for who represents them so regardless of whether their rep is gay or not - they are reperesented. There are all sorts of minorites that don't have congresspeople that belong to the minority. How many homeless reps are there, or former citizens of Botswana reps, or whatever?

Equality comes from the law, not by having a lawmaker belong to the minority.
 
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Originally posted by MyJhongFist
Oh please !!  Could you look down on other human beings any more????

 

Sorry if the truth hurts! I am not looking down on them, I am simply stating what the Bible states....

 

that in the last days it will be like the days of Sodom and Gomorrah......
 
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Originally posted by heapshake
I asked because it pertains to whether homosexual sex is a sin if it is before marriage. I'm still up in the air on premarital sex is a sin.


I believe sex is sacred and as such, I feel that premarital sex is wrong and a sin... but mainly because of biblical support.

Who views congress as an unrepresentational gov if minorites aren't included? Homosexuals don't only represent homosexuals. My straight male congressman represents the women in his district and the homosexuals. Are Barney Frank's straight constituants not being represented since he is gay? Homosexuals have the right to vote for who represents them so regardless of whether their rep is gay or not - they are reperesented. There are all sorts of minorites that don't have congresspeople that belong to the minority. How many homeless reps are there, or former citizens of Botswana reps, or whatever?

If you have a Congress that's homologous, such as an all white congress in a country where blacks make up a significant portion of the population, then you know something isn't right.
 
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Originally posted by smurfy2day
*YAWN*

People openly condoning sin and living out of the closet is just a sign of the times people!

Except homosexuality isn't a sin. As stated early, the problem was people using each other.

I find it interesting that so many bigots are the first to rant and rave about the evils of homosexuality, but are often not virgins themselves, or rarely condemn fornication.
 
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Originally posted by smurfy2day
*YAWN*

People openly condoning sin and living out of the closet is just a sign of the times people! We ARE living in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah!!!!

In Sodom and Gomorrah the crime was pride.

Ezekiel 16:49 - 50, "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good." Isaiah tells of lack of justice. Jeremiah emphasizes moral and ethical laxity. The Deuterocanonical books identify the sin as pride and inhospitality; in Wisdom 19:13-14, we read "...whereas the men of Sodom received not the strangers when they came among them." In Ecclesiasticus 16:8 the sin is recognized as pride: "He did not spare the people among whom Lot was living, whom he detested for their pride." In the New Testament, too, there is reference to Sodom and inhospitality: In Luke 10:10-13, Christ talks about cities that are inhospitable to his disciples. He warns: "...it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city." It's not until the very late books of 2 Peter (2:4) and Jude (6), that sex is considered a sin of Sodom. These books were written several generations after the deaths of the apostles and were talking about the transgression of the natural order of life when angelic and human beings have heterosexual relations - a major concern to the popular Stoic philosophy of the time.

Not only are there no references to homosexual acts when Scripture refers to Sodom, there are no references to Sodom when the Scriptures refer to homosexuality. There are several biblical passages that some have misunderstood as condemning homosexual acts. Not one of these gives Sodom as an example of the result of homosexual behavior. Considering how often Sodom was used as an example of the result of wicked behavior, it's apparent that biblical times did not see homosexual acts as the important lesson of the destruction of Sodom.

Lot attempts to protect the visitors sent by God by offering his two virgin daughters to be raped. The people of Sodom refuse them and the angels render the crowd blind. Lot and his family are then rescued by the angels as the cities are destroyed.

God spared Lot and his daughters from the destruction of Sodom. Genesis 19:33-36 goes on to say how the daughters got Lot drunk and committed incest with him. Would God destroy two cities for homosexuality and save these people so they would go right out and commit incest?

Perhaps one of the most misleading term in English is the use of the word sodomy to describe anal penetration and/or male homosexuality. The mere fact of this linguistic development sealed in the minds of many English speaking people that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality.

For 2,000 years, until the last century before Christ, Israel understood the lesson of Sodom to be one of pride and hospitality.
 
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Originally posted by heapshake
I asked because it pertains to whether homosexual sex is a sin if it is before marriage. I'm still up in the air on premarital sex is a sin.

Who views congress as an unrepresentational gov if minorites aren't included? Homosexuals don't only represent homosexuals. My straight male congressman represents the women in his district and the homosexuals. Are Barney Frank's straight constituants not being represented since he is gay? Homosexuals have the right to vote for who represents them so regardless of whether their rep is gay or not - they are reperesented. There are all sorts of minorites that don't have congresspeople that belong to the minority. How many homeless reps are there, or former citizens of Botswana reps, or whatever?

Equality comes from the law, not by having a lawmaker belong to the minority.


The laws that need to be passed to insure minorities are given civil rights won't be passed in their are no minorities in congress.
 
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Originally posted by stray bullet
Are you honestly discriminated against, or are people just bothered by your 'in your face' attitude?

Honestly, the world would be a better place with people didn't make such a big deal about sex in general.

Yes I am, other than no insurance benefits for my partner, I have to go to Vermont, for our commitment ceremony to be legally recognized.
When we have children they won't be our children unless we somehow make it through the adoption process.
I can't belong to any organizations on campus with the exception of the GLBTA, and can't be in student government.

And as for my "in your face attitude". I don't make a big deal about sex, why would I? Nowhere in this thread have I mentioned sex.
 
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Originally posted by Inspired
Yes I am, other than no insurance benefits for my partner, I have to go to Vermont, for our commitment ceremony to be legally recognized.
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That's pretty much how insurance companies all are. They'll find any loophole to screw people out of benefits.

When we have children they won't be our children unless we somehow make it through the adoption process.

And straight parents can just go to a foster home and pick up a child? Come on, everyone has to do that.

I can't belong to any organizations on campus with the exception of the GLBTA, and can't be in student government.

Now that's interesting, all the organizations on your campus have openly anti-gay policies?

And as for my "in your face attitude". I don't make a big deal about sex, why would I? Nowhere in this thread have I mentioned sex.

Judging from the gay flag and the pride smilies, I wonder about your personality outside the boards.

I know a lot of people that aren't straight, they don't really see much discrimination, as they do just outright bigotry. And sometimes, I can understand with all the "tolerate us or be spit on" attitudes of many non-heterosexuals.
 
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Originally posted by stray bullet
Interesting sig, is it possible your bigotry is related to personal issues with your sexuality? It's nothing to be ashamed of or even hide.

It happens to the best of us.

 

LOL! Thank you, no. After what happened to me as a child, I will condemn the homosexual lifestyle until I die.

 

And BTW- I am very happily married to a God-fearing man. ;) Thanks anyway.....
 
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Originally posted by smurfy2day
LOL! Thank you, no. After what happened to me as a child, I will condemn the homosexual lifestyle until I die.


That would be the "issue". Don't you find it rather unfair to condemn a whole group of people for whatever happened to you? The actions of an individual make a poor argument against a group.

And BTW- I am very happily married to a God-fearing man. ;) Thanks anyway.....

Er? People can have issues and be married.
 
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Huh?

What about the fact that the men in the city were trying to into Lot's home where the messengers were because they wanted to get their hands on them?  What do you think their intentions were ~ to have a tea party?

So instead, Lot offered his daughters........

 
 
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Originally posted by blindfaith
Huh?

What about the fact that the men in the city were trying to into Lot's home where the messengers were because they wanted to get their hands on them?  What do you think their intentions were ~ to have a tea party?

So instead, Lot offered his daughters........

 

It might help if you address the person your post was meant for, because who it's directed at is rather unclear at the moment.
 
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Originally posted by stray bullet
That would be the "issue". Don't you find it rather unfair to condemn a whole group of people for whatever happened to you? The actions of an individual make a poor argument against a group. 




 

Thanks again, but I have done my research on this particular "group" of people, and while the majority are great productive members of society, the handful of them that are out there to raise heck and cause trouble are ruining it for the rest of them.

 

Funnily enough I got in this VERY same discussion with a gay friend just a few hours ago.....
 
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Originally posted by blindfaith
Huh?

What about the fact that the men in the city were trying to into Lot's home where the messengers were because they wanted to get their hands on them?  What do you think their intentions were ~ to have a tea party? 


 

 

I LOVE that!!!!! :) "To Have a tea party?"

 

What a great line!
 
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Originally posted by blindfaith
Huh?

What about the fact that the men in the city were trying to into Lot's home where the messengers were because they wanted to get their hands on them?  What do you think their intentions were ~ to have a tea party?

I'd say they were exactly the same as the intentions of the men who did the same thing a few books later to some women.

How can this have anything to do with homosexuality? Would God approve of the brutal gang-rape of His angels if they were in female bodies? The wrongness of the action does not depend on gender issues to be understood.
 
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