One more step towards equality...

[Blindfaith]

*sigh*  Okay, I'll attempt to be a bit more clear.........

 

Inspired believes that Soddom and Gam. was destroyed because of 'pride'.  I simply gave an example out of the bible that refutes that; that homosexuality was prevalent, to the extent that the  men within the "city limits" wanted to go after God's messengers ~ that is depravity at its finest.  S & G wasn't destroyed because of 'pride'.  It was destroyed because God saw it was evil and deprived, and couldn't find any righteous people.

If people want to gloss over that, that's cool ~ they have that right.  But, I don't have to agree with it.

Now, stray bullet,

I think that smurfy (correct me if I'm wrong here), is condeming the act of homosexuality, not the people.  I have a very good friend (who goes here btw), that I talk with on the phone, and she's gay.  I have no problem with her at all.  I may not agree with her lifestyle, but I love her just the same.  I don't think that smurfy is condemning the people, but the lifestyle.  Hence, he has the right to do that ~ you cannot make people conform to your ideals and/or standards.

smurfy ~ I kind of liked my tea party comment too!

~Peace in Christ,

Terri

 

[smurfy2day]

blindfaith, no offense, I'm a she-male!

And yes, I was condemning the lifestyle itself. But to add a little more to your point, that is what the "Gay Agenda" in today's society is attempting to accomplish, to MAKE people conform to their ideals and/ or standards whether they like it or not.

Because of that, when a pastor in Detroit states that homosexuality is wrong, in regards to a Gay and Lesbian March in his town, that is looked at as "hate speech" and the gay community gets all up in arms and wants him removed, because this goes AGAINST their agenda. The problem with this, is they claim to support "freedom of speech," but only if it applies to them accomplishing their "Gay Agenda."

 

[stray bullet]

Originally posted by blindfaith

Now, stray bullet,

I think that smurfy (correct me if I'm wrong here), is condeming the act of homosexuality, not the people.  I have a very good friend (who goes here btw), that I talk with on the phone, and she's gay.  I have no problem with her at all.  I may not agree with her lifestyle, but I love her just the same.  I don't think that smurfy is condemning the people, but the lifestyle.  Hence, he has the right to do that ~ you cannot make people conform to your ideals and/or standards.
Terri

And you disagree with their inability to love members of the opposite sex based on what grounds?

 

[stray bullet]

Originally posted by smurfy2day [/i]
blindfaith, no offense, I'm a she-male!

And yes, I was condemning the lifestyle itself. But to add a little more to your point, that is what the "Gay Agenda" in today's society is attempting to accomplish, to MAKE people conform to their ideals and/ or standards whether they like it or not.

Because of that, when a pastor in Detroit states that homosexuality is wrong, in regards to a Gay and Lesbian March in his town, that is looked at as "hate speech" and the gay community gets all up in arms and wants him removed, because this goes AGAINST their agenda. The problem with this, is they claim to support "freedom of speech," but only if it applies to them accomplishing their "Gay Agenda."

You are darned right it's hate speech. Just like the people that wanted to do "God's will" by keeping blacks seperated from whites in the south.

It's hate speech. It's a perversion of the bible to suit their bigotry. I already showed earlier in the thread homosexuality isn't spoken against in the NT. Only using men or boys for sex, in the form of slaves or prostitutes.

 

[coastie]

Originally posted by stray bullet
You are darned right it's hate speech. Just like the people that wanted to do "God's will" by keeping blacks seperated from whites in the south.

It's hate speech. It's a perversion of the bible to suit their bigotry. I already showed earlier in the thread homosexuality isn't spoken against in the NT. Only using men or boys for sex, in the form of slaves or prostitutes.

It's not the same... the Bible explicitly says that homosexuality is wrong. You are the one who perverted the translation.

You haven't proven anything, you raised some very interesting points and interjected with your inferences, but you have not proven anything.

 

[stray bullet]

Originally posted by coastie
It's not the same... the Bible explicitly says that homosexuality is wrong. You are the one who perverted the translation.

You haven't proven anything, you raised some very interesting points and interjected with your inferences, but you have not proven anything.

Again, the NT says nothing against homosexuality. Did I rewrite a single verse? Did I hide facts?

No, I showed the truth. A truth most people ignore. I showed the the two groups, "malakos" and "arsenokoites" are what the bible speaks against. There is no argument there. But what these words MEAN we simply don't know. From the different translations I used, you can see that they have been translated very differently.

I could never condemn an entire group of people for their feelings over a word we aren't sure of. Especially since they most likely are talking about the sex-slaves and such.

We know the NT is against fornication, there is no confusion. And thieves, and drunkards and so on. But since we don't really know what they mean, how can we call homosexuality a sin just because a few translators found 'homosexuals' to be a easy replacement?

We can't.

 

[Inspired]

Originally posted by stray bullet
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That's pretty much how insurance companies all are. They'll find any loophole to screw people out of benefits.



And straight parents can just go to a foster home and pick up a child? Come on, everyone has to do that.



Now that's interesting, all the organizations on your campus have openly anti-gay policies?



Judging from the gay flag and the pride smilies, I wonder about your personality outside the boards.

I know a lot of people that aren't straight, they don't really see much discrimination, as they do just outright bigotry. And sometimes, I can understand with all the "tolerate us or be spit on" attitudes of many non-heterosexuals.

Yes the campus organizations are privately funded so they can discriminate.

Me being open about me orientation has nothing to do with sex. Do you see a person and then automatically think about their sex life?

 

[Inspired]

Originally posted by blindfaith
*sigh*  Okay, I'll attempt to be a bit more clear.........

 

Inspired believes that Soddom and Gam. was destroyed because of 'pride'.  I simply gave an example out of the bible that refutes that; that homosexuality was prevalent, to the extent that the  men within the "city limits" wanted to go after God's messengers ~ that is deprivation at its finest.  S & G wasn't destroyed because of 'pride'.  It was destroyed because God saw it was evil and deprived, and couldn't find any righteous people.

If people want to gloss over that, that's cool ~ they have that right.  But, I don't have to agree with it.

Now, stray bullet,

I think that smurfy (correct me if I'm wrong here), is condeming the act of homosexuality, not the people.  I have a very good friend (who goes here btw), that I talk with on the phone, and she's gay.  I have no problem with her at all.  I may not agree with her lifestyle, but I love her just the same.  I don't think that smurfy is condemning the people, but the lifestyle.  Hence, he has the right to do that ~ you cannot make people conform to your ideals and/or standards.

smurfy ~ I kind of liked my tea party comment too!

~Peace in Christ,

Terri

I didn't gloss over anything, it's straight foward from the text. And I didn't ask anyone to conform to anything.

 

[Inspired]

Originally posted by smurfy2day
blindfaith, no offense, I'm a she-male!

And yes, I was condemning the lifestyle itself. But to add a little more to your point, that is what the "Gay Agenda" in today's society is attempting to accomplish, to MAKE people conform to their ideals and/ or standards whether they like it or not.

Because of that, when a pastor in Detroit states that homosexuality is wrong, in regards to a Gay and Lesbian March in his town, that is looked at as "hate speech" and the gay community gets all up in arms and wants him removed, because this goes AGAINST their agenda. The problem with this, is they claim to support "freedom of speech," but only if it applies to them accomplishing their "Gay Agenda."

It's not a lifestyle, it's a sexual orientation. And what "Gay Agenda" do you speak of? I have none, either that or I missed out on that memo.
I want the freedom to live my life without having to conform to a religious sec of the population's beliefs.

 

[Inspired]

"Judging from the gay flag and the pride smilies, I wonder about your personality outside the boards."

The flag isn't gay, I am. And is everything that is rainbowed "gay"?

 

[stray bullet]

Originally posted by Inspired
Yes the campus organizations are privately funded so they can discriminate.

They can sure, but do they? They won't let you join because you're not straight??

Me being open about me orientation has nothing to do with sex. Do you see a person and then automatically think about their sex life?

What on earth are you talking about? I didn't say anything about sex.

 

[stray bullet]

Originally posted by Inspired
"Judging from the gay flag and the pride smilies, I wonder about your personality outside the boards."

The flag isn't gay, I am. And is everything that is rainbowed "gay"?

Riiight. Come on. That's a gay symbol.

 

[Inspired]

Originally posted by stray bullet
They can sure, but do they? They won't let you join because you're not straight??



What on earth are you talking about? I didn't say anything about sex.

No you can't join if you are openly GLBT and later if it is discovered that you are you are immediately kicked out.

And yes you brought up sex.

Originally posted by stray bullet
Are you honestly discriminated against, or are people just bothered by your 'in your face' attitude?

Honestly, the world would be a better place with people didn't make such a big deal about sex in general.

 

[Inspired]

Originally posted by stray bullet
Riiight. Come on. That's a gay symbol.

I guess all those Christians with rainbows are going to be surprised to know they are gay then.

 

[stray bullet]

Originally posted by Inspired


And yes you brought up sex.

What I said had nothing to do with:
Me being open about me orientation has nothing to do with sex. Do you see a person and then automatically think about their sex life?

I'm bisexual and I've never had sex, nor will I until I have a wife, and I'll never have sex with a man. So I certainly don't automatically think about somone's sex life when I find out their orientation. Because some of us can have one and not the other.

 

[stray bullet]

Originally posted by Inspired


And yes you brought up sex.

What I said had nothing to do with:
Me being open about me orientation has nothing to do with sex. Do you see a person and then automatically think about their sex life?

I'm bisexual (please no one think different of me for it...) and I've never had sex, nor will I until I have a wife, and I'll never have sex with a man. So I certainly don't automatically think about somone's sex life when I find out their orientation. Because some of us can have one and not the other.

My apologies for not making my post clear. I just thought people shouldn't make a big deal about sexuality and who they have sex with. But I guess that world is far away.

"You're gay? Ok... you're blonde too... so what?"

 

[Inspired]

When I live in a world were people don't constantly try to force their beliefs on me because of my sexual orientation, then it won't be a big deal.

 

[Inspired]

Originally posted by stray bullet
What I said had nothing to do with:
Me being open about me orientation has nothing to do with sex. Do you see a person and then automatically think about their sex life?

I'm bisexual and I've never had sex, nor will I until I have a wife, and I'll never have sex with a man. So I certainly don't automatically think about somone's sex life when I find out their orientation. Because some of us can have one and not the other.

My apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Originally posted by Inspired
No you can't join if you are openly GLBT and later if it is discovered that you are you are immediately kicked out.

And yes you brought up sex.

What school do you attend?

 

[Inspired]

Originally posted by fragmentsofdreams
What school do you attend?

University of Alabama