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and worst of all if Jesus was not God at all times then we are not saved.
where does the bible say that the bible is the one and only source for Christian Theology?I believe the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. But I do not use the word "trinity" nor do I condemn others who do not. I do not see that word in scripture, so I cannot in good conscience and faith demand that others use it. That is becoming very close to the "traditions of men" spoken of by Jesus. So while I agree in spirit, I only have issue when others demand the word be used "or else."
Now who's "perception" would that be and to what truth are you making reference?and yet when his hour came and by perception he was separated from this truth ...
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it has been written: "Cursed is everyone hanging on a tree"--
Now who's "perception" would that be and to what truth are you making reference?
A bird and a tree have a lot in common. They both have DNA. They are made up of cells containing nuclei and organelles. Many metabolic pathways are similar. And they both live and die. Human beings share 41% of our DNA with bananas. Birds and trees have a lot of similarities. But this is not like the question about the relationship between the Father and the Son.It is like demanding from someone: "So how do you understand that a bird is a tree?" Well, I cannot. I do not hold to the concept that a bird is a tree, so I cannot explain it, and really am not going to try.
Would you remind me which Bible passages contain the bolded words?We know from the scripture that the Word was in God in eternity (before any creation). We also know that God gave birth to the Word at which time there was a Father and a Son.
Unfortunately, this belief may be more widespread than you think, not only among SDA, and not only among lay people.and worst of all if Jesus was not God at all times then we are not saved.
Then what is the "form" of God?It means exactly what it says.
Jesus came to show us the Father. He came to remove the mystery. If we cannot understand God and the Father, then we have to ask if Jesus failed? I do not believe He failed. He explained the relationship exactly and perfectly. If He came and successfully revealed the Father to us, then it is no longer a Mystery.
A bird and a tree have a lot in common. They both have DNA. They are made up of cells containing nuclei and organelles. Many metabolic pathways are similar. And they both live and die. Human beings share 41% of our DNA with bananas. Birds and trees have a lot of similarities. But this is not like the question about the relationship between the Father and the Son.
Would you remind me which Bible passages contain the bolded words?
Roberts Word StudiesThen what is the "form" of God?
Exactly. Well said. I have said the same.We are yet a mystery to ourselves. And the depths of even this material universe remain in mystery to us. What Jesus revealed to us about God is all we need for salvation. But let us not imagine that we have fathomed the infinite.
I'm Catholic and we believe in he Trinity. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. 3 in one.
"Our profession of faith begins with God, for God is the First and the Last, the beginning and the end of everything. The Credo begins with God the Father, for the Father is the first divine person of the Most Holy Trinity; our Creed begins with the creation of heaven and earth, for creation is the beginning and the foundation of all God's works."
---the Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 198
Catholic belief is succinctly expressed in the profession of faith or credo called the Nicene Creed:
The Nicene Creed
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
where does the bible say that the bible is the one and only source for Christian Theology?
And that was before there even was a NT "scripture".2 Tim 3:16 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is to be used for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
And that was before there even was a NT "scripture".
I am curious about this phrase:
"... the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,"
Specifically the phrase "proceeds from the Father and the Son."
Not questioning, only seeking. I believe our faith comes from the Word of God and only the word of God. Without the Word, there is no faith. To believe this and have it as an element of faith, I need Word. Do we have "line upon line" or "jot or tittle" that says the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son? Not picking at words mind you, only looking for rational conclusions based on scriptural evidence.
Thanks!
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