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I never claimed he was finite. The reason he doesn't know an infinite number of languages is because there are not an infinite number of languages. If there were I would only be wrong about him only knowing a finite number of languages --not about being infinite. You put a fence where there is none.
Dancing. Your implicit qualification here is "known" languages. Clearly, that strawman is not the bone of contention. Anyone, including God, can concoct a new language any day of the week, which projects to a potentially infinite number of languages (whether in circulation or not). You're admitting that God doesn't know all these languages, that He only knows a finite number. That's finite knowledge.
Get real. If he knows and infinite number then he does. If there are only a finite number, then he knows them. My statement concerning languages, right or wrong, has nothing to do with finitude on his part. He is infinite in power, ability, virtue, etc. You are only complicating your brain activity.
The doctrines follow the Bible, not the other way around. Will we continue to wrestle with analogies to improve our understanding philosophically? Yeah. But by nature God is fundamentally different from human beings if any of His properties are to be maintained and can only be apprehended analogically. Any statement that is complete and true of God will be incomprehensible, because His existence is completely different than ours. It seems you are describing a being with none of the characteristic attributes of God, so I must ask in what manner can your construction be called God?
You're just confirming this is a semantic debate. You're describing my finite God perfectly, even if you dislike my terminology. Thanks again.
Here is my challenge to atheists. How can you know for sure that a creator of some kind doesn't exist? Why do you assume something that cries out for proof?
Open your Bible and show me the characteristics of God. Then we can determine whether my God is a fit.
Which characteristics? Can we start with merit? Could you please respond to that post 850 on the other thread where I discuss merit? The post that Mark keeps ignoring?
Characteristics like "ultimate," without things like omnipotence, omniscience, and other infinite characteristics the claimed "god" is merely a super-being as opposed to a final being and could be surpassed by another thus not worthy of truly being called God. As for "merit," I don't find your valuation true so I reject your claim.
Of course you reject my claim. (That's why they call it a debate forum). What about addressing the arguments underlying the claim? Does that matter on a debate forum?
Valuation is a subjective matter, my simple disagreement with what you value is sufficient to discard it. Subjective stances aren't matters of debate because they are subjective. Facts can be disputed, logic can be disputed, but opinions are either agreed with or disagreed with.
Nope. Not logically possible for anyone to overcome God in my system.. (I think you failed to read the part about God's instituted system of protection, which is irreversible as part of His irreversible holiness. I do apologize that the other post (post 856) provided that as a separate link, so you'd have to read a total of 3 posts in all).
No. I provided the consensus definition of "merit" on that post 850 and gave the cross as an example. You're free to dispute those claims, but it's not fair to ignore them. This is called a "debate forum" not a "bias forum". Feel free:
It's not a matter of definition, it's a matter of what you find good is not necessarily good according to me. Which is purely a matter of opinion excluding appeal to God's nature.
You're just repeating your nonsense about merit being subjective. In that case, the cross isn't "necessarily" meritorious. It's all subjective.
What do you find good? That's what I just asked you. I asked that if you have an alternative definition of merit, pray tell.
I haven't seen your exact post so I'm not sure what definition you used, but merit is interchangeable with "value" or "worth." Which, again, outside of God have no independent meaning. What do I find most worthy? God and things that remind me of God.
Ok I see that asking you guys to click two links was WAY TOO DEMANDING of me so I'll have to copy all that material here.
