Once saved always saved

[Billy Evmur]

Is once saved always saved biblical? Is it a false doctrine? Some say it’s false and some say it is true. What bothers me is some say that it leads to hell.
I know that we are saved by Chirst and nothing more. I do not think works are necessary. Some bible verses seem to be for and against once saved always saved. I’m trying to talk to my pastor about this because it’s hard to know what to trust at times. Here is a link of why I was asking.
Backsliding or Backslider GOD WANTS YOU BACK
ETERNAL SECURITY Doctrine and Grace is False

People use the phrase "once saved always saved" in order to knock it down, they dare not knock down the bible truth "eternal life" for everyone would know they were lying.

 

[EJ M]

God's Grace covers our failings as long as we keep coming back to Him, via 1 John 1:9.

Agreed.
Would Jesus ask us to forgive each other 490 times and not do the same for us? Likely much much more. Rom 10:9-10
Notice though Jesus stipulated the sinner ask for forgiveness and then said we need to forgive up to 490 times.
But Jesus forgave His tormentors while they were killing Him, Stephen likewise.

 

[Sabertooth]

People use the phrase "once saved always saved" in order to knock it down,...

They also use the phrase because they are unfamiliar with its formal terms,

• [Unconditional] Eternal Security vs.
• Conditional [Eternal] Security

 

[Oldmantook]

Is once saved always saved biblical? Is it a false doctrine? Some say it’s false and some say it is true. What bothers me is some say that it leads to hell.
I know that we are saved by Chirst and nothing more. I do not think works are necessary. Some bible verses seem to be for and against once saved always saved. I’m trying to talk to my pastor about this because it’s hard to know what to trust at times. Here is a link of why I was asking.
Backsliding or Backslider GOD WANTS YOU BACK
ETERNAL SECURITY Doctrine and Grace is False

In order to answer your own question, just ask yourself this simple question:
If you were to take the mark of the beast, would you still be once saved, always saved? I presume that you consider yourself to be a genuine believer and if so, if you accepted the mark would you still be eternally secure? That should answer your question, correct?

 

[Romansthruphilemon]

Dan Corner and teachers like him that reject OSAS are failing to rightly divide. They take scripture that was not written directly to us and try to apply it to us to put us under law.

This video does an outstanding job explaining how to rightly divide.

 

[Danielwright2311]

Is once saved always saved biblical? Is it a false doctrine? Some say it’s false and some say it is true. What bothers me is some say that it leads to hell.
I know that we are saved by Chirst and nothing more. I do not think works are necessary. Some bible verses seem to be for and against once saved always saved. I’m trying to talk to my pastor about this because it’s hard to know what to trust at times. Here is a link of why I was asking.
Backsliding or Backslider GOD WANTS YOU BACK
ETERNAL SECURITY Doctrine and Grace is False

Everything you wrote depends on a couple things.

Do you belive Jesus is the son of God and he died for your sins.

Do you belive Jesus died and rose three days later?

If you do, then your saved as Jesus died for all sin.

 

[PaulCyp1]

Yes, once saved always saved is true. However, no-one is saved until they are safely in Heaven. Anyone alive on Earth can freely choose to abandon Jesus Christ and reject salvation at any point in their lives. This one of the most dangerous false beliefs to come out of Protestantism. You kind of have to laugh when the longtime pastor of a OSAS Protestant Church leaves his wife and runs off with his secretary, and the members say, "He never actually was truly saved". RIGHT! And neither are they! Not!

 

[aiki]

Is once saved always saved biblical?

Yes. Very.

Is it a false doctrine?

Depends upon who you ask. The Saved-And-Lost crowd think OSAS is false. But, of course, they would, wouldn't they?

Some say it’s false and some say it is true. What bothers me is some say that it leads to hell.

Yup. What you believe concerning salvation is very, very important.

I know that we are saved by Chirst and nothing more.

Well, then, you appear here to have just answered your own question about eternal security. The apostle Paul put it this way:

Galatians 3:3
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?

Some bible verses seem to be for and against once saved always saved.

I've looked at them all and find they don't actually support a SAL (saved-and-lost) perspective. More often than not, an SAL view is being imposed on the verses and passages used to support
it rather than drawn out of them.

The links you've offered don't impress me as being - how shall I say - very serious. As is often the case, the SAL view is being read into passages used to make Dan Corner's case.

Here are a couple of articles I wrote that might be of help to you in thinking through this matter:

Osas: God Saves Us And He Keeps Us. | Christian Forums

Eternally Secure In Christ | Christian Forums

 

[Sabertooth]

...and try to apply it to us to put us under law.

Requiring people to keep short accounts with God via 1 John 1:9 (once convicted) does not put anyone "under law."

 

[Oldmantook]

Yes, once saved always saved is true. However, no-one is saved until they are safely in Heaven. Anyone alive on Earth can freely choose to abandon Jesus Christ and reject salvation at any point in their lives. This one of the most dangerous false beliefs to come out of Protestantism. You kind of have to laugh when the longtime pastor of a OSAS Protestant Church leaves his wife and runs off with his secretary, and the members say, "He never actually was truly saved". RIGHT! And neither are they! Not!

OSAS is just another version of the original lie that the serpent spoke to Eve in the Garden: "But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die" (Gen 3:4).
It was effective back then and is still effective as many Christians today believe the lie that they are eternally secure, cannot fall away from God and experience spiritual death.

 

[ColoRaydo]

What would people think of this statement:

“Once saved, never accidentally lost.”?

I don’t believe once you accept Christ as your savior, and mean it, you can later renounce your Christianity and find yourself in heaven after death. Yes I’ve heard the argument that if someone did that they never really meant it. Perhaps. I know a former Sunday School teacher who is now an atheist. I did not know his heart before though.

However, I firmly do not believe that we are outside of salvation every time we sin before we repent. For example, being jealous and resentful of a coworker who got promoted instead of you, then dropping dead of a heart attack before asking God for forgiveness. That, to me, would be “accidentally lost”.

 

[MDC]

OSAS is just another version of the original lie that the serpent spoke to Eve in the Garden: "But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die" (Gen 3:4).
It was effective back then and is still effective as many Christians today believe the lie that they are eternally secure, cannot fall away from God and experience spiritual death.

The elect believe eternal life is in Christ. Nonbelievers do not believe this. Eternal life in Christ = eternal security. The lie of the serpent is that one must work and merit his salvation by his self righteous deeds to stay saved or maintain his security

 

[Romansthruphilemon]

If Jesus meant what He said when He said in Matthew that "he who endures to the end will be saved", then apparently he who does not endure to the end, will not be saved.

Jesus meant what he said but he wasn't talking to the church, the body of Christ, he was talking to Israel.

Matt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Just like Peter was talking to Israel in Acts 3 (3:12 Ye men of Israel) and in verse 19 he tells them "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the LORD."

Notice the timeline, their sins will be blotted out when Christ returns. That's different from what Paul tells us. Paul tells us that we have the atonement now.

Romans 5:10, 11 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

 

[EJ M]

What would people think of this statement:

“Once saved, never accidentally lost.”?

I don’t believe once you accept Christ as your savior, and mean it, you can later renounce your Christianity and find yourself in heaven after death. Yes I’ve heard the argument that if someone did that they never really meant it. Perhaps. I know a former Sunday School teacher who is now an atheist. I did not know his heart before though.

However, I firmly do not believe that we are outside of salvation every time we sin before we repent. For example, being jealous and resentful of a coworker who got promoted instead of you, then dropping dead of a heart attack before asking God for forgiveness. That, to me, would be “accidentally lost”.

Our wonderful Father that loves us so much likely would give the heart attack victim time to repent before he enters eternity.
Lets remember He likens us giving our children bread and fish instead of stones and snakes,
if ye then being evil and know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Heavenly Father give good gifts to those that ask Him.
We do everything in our power to get our children to heaven, so does our Father in heaven.
Short of dragging us in kicking and screaming. He who spared not His own Son, will he not much more with Him freely give us all things? (Rom 8:32)

 

[Basil the Great]

Our wonderful Father that loves us so much likely would give the heart attack victim time to repent before he enters eternity.
Lets remember He likens us giving our children bread and fish instead of stones and snakes,
if ye then being evil and know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Heavenly Father give good gifts to those that ask Him.
We do everything in our power to get our children to heaven, so does our Father in heaven.
Short of dragging us in kicking and screaming. He who spared not His own Son, will he not much more with Him freely give us all things? (Rom 8:32)

Some believe that everyone will get a last chance at the moment of death. This would be nice, but we do not know if this is true.

 

[ColoRaydo]

We do everything in our power to get our children to heaven, so does our Father in heaven.

100% agree.

Which is exactly why our salvation is dependent on Christ’s sacrifice and our reliance upon it rather than a daily or hourly opportunity to lose it through temporary sin. That meets the definition of OSAS to me.

 

[EJ M]

Some believe that everyone will get a last chance at the moment of death. This would be nice, but we do not know if this is true.

I think it is mostly true.
The thief on the cross experienced that.
Not so sure about Judas, Hitler, Stalin or Mao etc. though.
I do know it is not the will of of God that any should perish, not even Judas, Hitler, Stalin or Mao etc.
Lets give thanks exceedingly that Jesus had compassion on us and saved us and leave the judging to Him.

 

[Basil the Great]

I think it is mostly true.
The thief on the cross experienced that.
Not so sure about Judas, Hitler, Stalin or Mao etc. though.
I do know it is not the will of of God that any should perish, not even Judas, Hitler, Stalin or Mao etc.
Lets give thanks exceedingly that Jesus had compassion on us and saved us and leave the judging to Him.

I tend to agree with you. I doubt that mass murderers will get a last chance, though I could be wrong.

 

[Basil the Great]

Yes, however not if believed only, and not practiced. Calvin believed and practiced his belief in Unconditional eternal security, and murdered more than 50 people and inspired many more murders.
7 times in Rev 2-3 Jesus encourages us to overcome with 7 promises if we do.
If we do not overcome, He warns us He will remove our candlestick.
Jude reminds us that He is able to keep us from falling and present us faultless, however it seems only if we don't want to fall based on Heb 6 and 10 where He warns us about the consequences of willful sin. Not good.
If we believe and obey, we have nothing to fear, we cannot be lost.

Oh my.... I sure never knew that he murdered 50 souls.

 

[Hillsage]

If Jesus meant what He said when He said in Matthew that "he who endures to the end will be saved", then apparently he who does not endure to the end, will not be saved.

I don't expect anyone will appreciate this 'brief' answer, but it works for me.

The question is; Will not be saved in his spirit? Or will not be saved in his soul and therefore body? If you haven't worked out the progressive salvation of your soul unto the point of perfection (such as Paul was striving for in Phi 3:9-14) then your soul and body will die and your chance for the "immortality" of this age will be lost and you'll die and end up in a grave. No one has overcome the last enemy of death (Except possibly John 21:21-23). Jesus never destroyed the last enemy of physical death, He overcame it.

Romans 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;

So, BtheG, does your theology allow for a difference between "immortality" and "eternal life"? Mine does. Granted it's a minority view.

If you do not endure to the end your soul and body will not be saved, but you will not have lost the promise of "eternal life" and a glorified body for your saved spirit in the hereafter. But if you do hold on to working out your soul's salvation perfectly "with fear and trembling", then you will overcome death too. And for those who do, we have been promised we can then live for the rest of time.

1PE 4:1 Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same thought, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, 2 so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer by human passions but by the will of God.

The word "the" above is added by translators who knew nothing about who was supposed to overcome the last enemy of physical death. Other than Jesus of course.

1CO 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

A spirit doesn't die and go to the grave, a body does. And the victory of the 'grave' only lasts until "ALL who are in the tombs shall hear his voice and come forth...unto the resurrection..."

IOW 'Jesus did mean what he said and said what he meant in Matthew' but those who don't understand what he said will then have to make the scriptures above weave into the commandments and teaching of men not enlightened as to this truth...IMO, of course.