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Because we don't even think of it. There's no reason to.Why is it everyone i meet that is out there,healing the sick,preaching the gospel,driving out devils,baptising in his name and making more deciples..do not adhere to osas
You throw in yet another new topic .base it on a few sentances out of an entire letter and miss the point.Can a true Christian sin or not?
Conclusion
There is no contradiction. What is happening is that John is saying that the one who is born again does not habitually abide in sin. He may fall into it, but he does not practice it as a lifestyle. The nuances of the Greek language are not carried over to the English, but when we understand what is happening we then see there is no problem.
Finally, any Christian who would say that he does not sin anymore fails to agree with 1 John 1:8 which says, "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us." He would then be self-decieved.
Lol so many wrongful assumptions in this post it would take another thread to adress them all.
You identify as nazerene.. Do you know their statment of beliefs ?
"We believe that the finally impenitent are hopelessly and eternally lost."
A man made organization nicknamed "church" is not the source of truth..Jesus is by his holy Spirit. And He,the holy spirit will lead you into all truth..
Why is it everyone i meet that is out there,healing the sick,preaching the gospel,driving out devils,baptising in his name and making more deciples..do not adhere to osas .and those i meet who attend thier christion sunday clubs but do not go out and do the above things..argue for osas.
Interesting observing the days of my youthfullness in others.
What i share now i did not always share,i once shared more liberally..but that was before i was delivered from religios spirits and bought to godly repentance and began to obey the Gospel and do the will of God by his spirit in me willing it to be so. God is never the dictator.he awaits our willful obedience.
We have only your word that you've met such people. When your words deny eternal life and salvation in Christ, it is easy to realize no one who knows Christ would ever claim they can be unsaved.Alithis said: ↑
Why is it everyone i meet that is out there,healing the sick,preaching the gospel,driving out devils,baptising in his name and making more deciples..do not adhere to osas
And your denial of eternal life and salvation.
You said you were going to ignore me now,,please display some integrity in your words.We have only your word that you've met such people. When your words deny eternal life and salvation in Christ, it is easy to realize no one who knows Christ would ever claim they can be unsaved.
Are you implying these scriptures do not exist ?
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: - Hebrews 6
Shalom,
Read John 15:1-6, now look at the following verses:
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the vintner. 2 He cuts off every branch that does not produce fruit in me, and he cuts back every branch that does produce fruit, so that it might produce more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of what I’ve spoken to you.Great study. It is very obvious that we can turn our backs on God. Many who believe and teach once saved always saved use the metaphor of the father son relationship thinking that the Father will never leave the son, but they never think about the son leaving the Father like the prodigal son which is a great lesson on our relationship with God. The prodigal was once saved, then lost then saved again.
4 Abide in me, and I will abide in you. Just as the branch cannot produce fruit by itself unless it abides in the vine, neither can you unless you abide in me. 5 I am the vine, you are the branches. The one who abides in me while I abide in him produces much fruit, because apart from me you can do nothing. 6 Unless a person abides in me, he is thrown away like a pruned branch and dries up. People gather such branches, throw them into a fire, and they are burned up.
Peter tells us also in:
2Peter:2:20&21: "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them."
Finding commentary about Hebrews 6 is easy on the Net. Just don't go to those sites that are of the false doctrines that claim the Saints can be unsaved. Or lose their eternal salvation.I would love to know how you can manage to crucify Christ twice, as this is what is required for anyone to believe someone can lose what was once true salvation. Hebrews 6 which I quoted in one of my more recent posts points this out and most versions will say that if it were possible for them to fall away, it would then be impossible to renew them (lost salvation) again to repentance (saved again), and that they would put Christ to an open shame which is impossible. I would love to talk more about the story of the prodigal son, because I've heard tons of ideas about the meaning of this story and only one them thought it was about lost salvation. Seeing how if you lose it, you can never get back, I wouldn't be worried about it. Now you're just a reprobate lol. The loss of salvation also implies if not directly states that the Holy Spirit is a failure and that Christ sacrifice is not enough (that's the open shame again), as it's the Holy Spirit's job to seal an individual to the day of redemption and begin and continue the sanctification process. Any other belief denies Christ complete work on the cross and in my honest opinion blasphemes the Holy Spirit. So, I'd be careful with that.
Here is a piece from an earlier post.
and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify the Son of God for themselves again, and put him to open shame.
^ This them also goes along with what Peter was saying in 1 Peter 3:18
"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"
Stating he only died once for all sins. If a man/woman were to fall away at all, as in truly lose real salvation, than you also have to believe that the person in question could NEVER get saved again. They would be forever reprobate.
I'll post this verse again, because I like it so much.
2 Timothy 2:13
"If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself"
If we believe not or we fail on our selves he still remains faithful because he cannot deny himself (Christ sacrifice)
Finding commentary about Hebrews 6 is easy on the Net. Just don't go to those sites that are of the false doctrines that claim the Saints can be unsaved. Or lose their eternal salvation.
Commentary on Hebrews 6:1-8
(Read Hebrews 6:1-8)
Every part of the truth and will of God should be set before all who profess the gospel, and be urged on their hearts and consciences. We should not be always speaking about outward things; these have their places and use, but often take up too much attention and time, which might be better employed. The humbled sinner who pleads guilty, and cries for mercy, can have no ground from this passage to be discouraged, whatever his conscience may accuse him of. Nor does it prove that any one who is made a new creature in Christ, ever becomes a final apostate from him. The apostle is not speaking of the falling away of mere professors, never convinced or influenced by the gospel. Such have nothing to fall away from, but an empty name, or hypocritical profession. Neither is he speaking of partial declinings or backslidings. Nor are such sins meant, as Christians fall into through the strength of temptations, or the power of some worldly or fleshly lust. But the falling away here mentioned, is an open and avowed renouncing of Christ, from enmity of heart against him, his cause, and people, by men approving in their minds the deeds of his murderers, and all this after they have received the knowledge of the truth, and tasted some of its comforts. Of these it is said, that it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance. Not because the blood of Christ is not sufficient to obtain pardon for this sin; but this sin, in its very nature, is opposite to repentance and every thing that leads to it. If those who through mistaken views of this passage, as well as of their own case, fear that there is no mercy for them, would attend to the account given of the nature of this sin, that it is a total and a willing renouncing of Christ, and his cause, and joining with his enemies, it would relieve them from wrong fears. We should ourselves beware, and caution others, of every approach near to a gulf so awful as apostacy; yet in doing this we should keep close to the word of God, and be careful not to wound and terrify the weak, or discourage the fallen and penitent. Believers not only taste of the word of God, but they drink it in. And this fruitful field or garden receives the blessing. But the merely nominal Christian, continuing unfruitful under the means of grace, or producing nothing but deceit and selfishness, was near the awful state above described; and everlasting misery was the end reserved for him. Let us watch with humble caution and prayer as to ourselves.[more]
No, it doesn't. I just like to cut off all chances of false pastors in the world incorporating Hebrews 6 as a means to support the false teaching that claims we can lose our eternal salvation.Yes, I don't believe Hebrews 6 represents that you can lose salvation. Thank you for the commentary.
And just for the sake of souls here.
Cross References
Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
John 1:12
But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God--
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father's side, has made Him known.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.
Hebrews 3:19
So we see that it was because of their unbelief that they were unable to enter.
1 John 3:23
And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.
1 John 4:9
This is how God's love was revealed among us: God sent His one and only Son into the world, so that we might live through Him.
1 John 5:10
Whoever believes in the Son of God has this testimony within him; whoever does not believe God has made Him out to be a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony God has given about His Son.
Treasury of Scripture
He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:36 He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes …
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, He that hears my word, and believes on …
John 6:40,47 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which sees …
John 20:31 But these are written, that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, …
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through …
Romans 8:1,34 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ …
1 John 5:12 He that has the Son has life; and he that has not the Son of God has not life.
isnt it interesting .Because we don't even think of it. There's no reason to.
Amein and HalleluYAH !i stand in faith on his faith .
Christ had to come because his people, my people, the Hebrews, ALSO believed in "Eternal Security". It was for this belief, that many of them became the kind of people they were: Self righteous, judgmental, unloving, unforgiving, merciless, gossiping, self interested... SO argue all you want over what you think scripture is saying, but know that those of us that have been given to see your fruits, know your arguments are in vein.
You are not a Jew, therefore speak not for the Jew.I find this quite curious. If that is so, why have the sacrifices, especially the Day of Atonement?
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