once saved always saved

[Lindas Place]

Well,
Grace IS when we repent and Love God and your closed ones.
That what grace is .

We get it for FREE!

Grace is God’s unmerited love and favor… God is Love.

We are commanded to love each other as God loves us… our love abounds more and more as we grow In Christ.

Here’s a list of how God loves us… this is how we also ought to love one another.

God died for sinners.
God loves deeply from the heart.
God covers over all wrongs.
God covers over a multitude of sins
God keeps no record of wrongs.
God is not counting our sins against us.
God is kind and compassionate
God forgives whatever grievances He may have against us.

My command is this:
Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. John 15: 12

And this is my prayer:
that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, Philippians 1:9

This is love:
not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 1 John 4: 10-11


Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers,
love one another deeply, from the heart. 1 Peter 1:22


Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. 1 Peter 4:8


It (Love) is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.1 Corinthians 13: 5


Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs. Proverbs 10:12


Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. Colossians 3:13


Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Ephesians 4:32


All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:18-20

 

[timur123456789]

Grace is God’s unmerited love and favor… God is Love.

We are commanded to love each other as God loves us… our love abounds more and more as we grow In Christ.

Here’s a list of how God loves us… this is how we also ought to love one another.

God died for sinners.
God loves deeply from the heart.
God covers over all wrongs.
God covers over a multitude of sins
God keeps no record of wrongs.
God is not counting our sins against us.
God is kind and compassionate
God forgives whatever grievances He may have against us.

1:16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil

Go, pray and it shall be corrected,saying is Yahweh. "If your sins are coming to be as double dipped scarlet, as snow shall they be white. If they are reddened as crimson, as wool shall they become."

 

[Lindas Place]

1:16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil

1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

But we didn't stop sinning... So God sent Jesus to die for our sins... and put His sinless Holy Spirit In us who believe In Him... we are only sinless because of the sinless Spirit of Christ living in us... God alone is righteous and Holy... He is our righteousness, our holiness... and He is sufficient.

 

[timur123456789]

Well, if you accept Jesus with YOU MOUTH ALONE and say something like this "I accept The Spirit of Jesus in my soul , I confess my sins to the Lord Jesus , for he is my savior" and RIGHT after saying this you go murder, rape and plunder innocent babies then YOU WILL DIE IN HILL and your confession by mouth WILL NOT SAVE you from BURNING FIRE OF HELL .
Burning fire of hell !

19 You are believing that God is one. Ideally are you doing. The demons also are believing and are shuddering.

 

[Lindas Place]

God alone is righteous.
I will come and proclaim your mighty acts, O Sovereign LORD; I will proclaim your righteousness, yours alone. Psalm 71:16

We are unrighteous.
As it is written:
"There is no one righteous, not even one; Romans 3: 10

God credits believers with His righteousness.
However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. Romans 4:5

Some people try to establish their own righteousness.
For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Romans 10: 2-3

Some people make God out to be a liar.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. 1 John 1: 8-10

Some people believe God.
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes Romans 10: 4

And receive the gift of righteousness.
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. Romans 5:17

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. Romans 3:21

For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." Romans 1:17

Who will not fear you, O Lord, and bring glory to your name?
For you alone are holy. All nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed." Revelation 15:4

 

[Lindas Place]

The demons also are believing and are shuddering.

Demons believe what?

 

[timur123456789]

Well, Jesus said if we WANT TO ENTER INTO [eternal] LIFE , then we SHALL KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

And he said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one is good except One--God; but if thou dost will to enter into the life, keep the commands.'


Jesus said if we WANT TO ENTER INTO [eternal] LIFE , then we SHALL KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

Do you agree with Jesus that keeping the commandments is prerequisite from entering [eternal] life ? Was Jesus right ?

 

[timur123456789]

Demons believe what?

19 You are believing that God is one. Ideally are you doing. The demons also are believing and are shuddering.

"believing that God is one"

Do you believe that God is one ?

 

[Lindas Place]

Well, Jesus said if we WANT TO ENTER INTO [eternal] LIFE , then we SHALL KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

And he said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one is good except One--God; but if thou dost will to enter into the life, keep the commands.'


Jesus said if we WANT TO ENTER INTO [eternal] LIFE , then we SHALL KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

Do you agree with Jesus that keeping the commandments is prerequisite from entering [eternal] life ? Was Jesus right ?

Here’s what the disciples did to obey what Jesus commanded and receive the Holy Spirit forever… we can do the same.

(John 14:15-17)
"If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another
Counselor to be with you forever — the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

(John 16:30-31)
Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God. "You believe at last!" Jesus answered.

(John 17:6-8)
I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they HAVE obeyed your word. Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

(John 20:22)
And with that he breathed on them and said, Receive the Holy Spirit.
31But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.


And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory Ephesians 1:13-14

 

[Lindas Place]

19 You are believing that God is one. Ideally are you doing. The demons also are believing and are shuddering.

"believing that God is one"

Do you believe that God is one ?

James 2:19
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

Lot's of people believe there is one God... but they don't believe Jesus is God... they reject Him.

 

[timur123456789]

Here’s what the disciples did to obey what Jesus commanded and receive the Holy Spirit forever… we can do the same.

Dear Ma'am.

You quote good and true quotes from the Holy Scripture, and you do it from the sincere heart and desire to help these in the darkness to understand. But I beseech you oh ma'am please, please use your own simple words to express your ideas.

I would greatly appreciate that.

Jesus said if we WANT TO ENTER INTO [eternal] LIFE , then we SHALL KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

Do you agree with Jesus that keeping the commandments is prerequisite from entering [eternal] life ? Was Jesus right ?

 

[Lindas Place]

Dear Ma'am.

You quote good and true quotes from the Holy Scripture, and you do it from the sincere heart and desire to help these in the darkness to understand. But I beseech you oh ma'am please, please use your own simple words to express your ideas.

I would greatly appreciate that.

There are two ways to be righteous…

The First (Is Impossible) for man

Romans 2

13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight,
but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.


23 You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written:
"God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

Romans 3

9 What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. 10As it is written:
There is no one righteous, not even one;
　
The Second (Is Possible) Romans 3

20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Romans 4
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

6David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom
God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him."

Luke 18:27
Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."

 

[timur123456789]

There are two ways to be righteous…

The First (Is Impossible) for man

Romans 2

13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight,
but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.


23 You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written:
"God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

Romans 3

9 What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. 10As it is written:
There is no one righteous, not even one;
　
The Second (Is Possible) Romans 3

20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Romans 4
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

6David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom
God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him."

Luke 18:27
Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."

Dear Ma'am.

You quote some wonderful passages from Paul, bu I beseech you, oh please use YOUR OWN words to convey your thought.

 

[Lindas Place]

Dear Ma'am.

You quote some wonderful passages from Paul, bu I beseech you, oh please use YOUR OWN words to convey your thought.

we are discussing the Word of God, His Word convey's my thoughts.

 

[timur123456789]

28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

What is mean here by "The law"

1)Traditions and practices of the hebrew tribes such as cirumsicion and animal sacrifices.

2) Number 1 Plus 10 commendments.

3) 10 commendments only.


It makes A HUGE difference what do you understand here.

I truly think that one should obey 10 commendments to be saved.

 

[Lindas Place]

28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

What is mean here by "The law"

1)Traditions and practices of the hebrew tribes such as cirumsicion and animal sacrifices.

2) Number 1 Plus 10 commendments.

3) 10 commendments only.


It makes A HUGE difference what do you understand here.

I truly think that one should obey 10 commendments to be saved.

Do not covet is one of the ten commandments... also referred to here as "the law" "the written code"

Romans 7:6-7
6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
7What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."

Colossians 2
13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

 

[timur123456789]

Do not covet is one of the ten commandments... also referred to here as "the law" "the written code"

Romans 7:6-7
6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
7What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."

Colossians 2
13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

Yes indeed it is part of the 10 commandments.

But that was not the question.

The question was:

What is mean here by "The law" in ROMANS 3:20 ?

1)Traditions and practices of the Hebrew tribes such as circumcision and animal sacrifices.

2) Number 1 Plus 10 commandments.

3) 10 commandments only.

 

[Lindas Place]

Yes indeed it is part of the 10 commandments.

But that was not the question.

The question was:

We see Romans 3:20 in action in Romans 7:7...

Clearly it is the ten commandments, because coveting is one of the ten commandments…
and there are plenty of scriptures that confirm we no longer sacrifice animals… and concerning circumcision.

Romans 3:20
20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

Romans 7:6-7
6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
7What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."

 

[timur123456789]

So are you saying that in ROMANS 3:20 Paul writes that :
WE DO NOT HAVE TO OBEY 10 COMMANDMENTS TO BE SAVED.

Meaning we could murder, steal etc. and still be saved.

 

[Lindas Place]

So are you saying that in ROMANS 3:20 Paul writes that :
WE DO NOT HAVE TO OBEY 10 COMMANDMENTS TO BE SAVED.

Meaning we could murder, steal etc. and still be saved.

Yes, we can and do sin... God disciplines us when we sin, IF we are His child.