once saved always saved

[Lindas Place]

Salavation is continous process . It is non a one time event.

past tense...
Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this not from yourselves, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD —

 

[timur123456789]

past tense...
Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this not from yourselves, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD —

Young's Literal Translation
for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you -- of God the gift,

 

[Hentenza]

Salavation is continous process . It is non a one time event.

Salvation is indeed a continuous process. By the blood of Calvary we are justified (removes the penalty of sin), sanctified (gradually removes the power of sin), and glorified (removes the presence of sin). However, those that He justified, He also sanctified (Romans 8:30). Those that are justified will also be glorified so there is no wiggle room about a Christian that has been justified loosing his/her salvation.

 

[Hentenza]

Young's Literal Translation
for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you -- of God the gift,

See my post 56 in this thread.

 

[timur123456789]

Well.

If you sin you loose your salvation.

If you mouth says " I confess Jesus as my God and my Savior" and your actions are : Murder , greed , fornication that Salvation is NOT upon you and you NOT upon salvation.

That makes you a hypocrate, when mouth tells one thing , and your actions another.

 

[AndOne]

Well.

If you sin you loose your salvation.

If you mouth says " I confess Jesus as my God and my Savior" and your actions are : Murder , greed , fornication that Salvation is NOT upon you and you NOT upon salvation.

That makes you a hypocrate, when mouth tells one thing , and your actions another.

Ever gotten angry with someone? Guess what - you are guilty of murder! Ever lusted after someone? Guess what - you are a fornicator! (See Matthew 5)

Does that mean you aren't a Christian then?

 

[timur123456789]

Ever gotten angry with someone? Guess what - you are guilty of murder! Ever lusted after someone? Guess what - you are a fornicator! (See Matthew 5)

Does that mean you aren't a Christian then?

Yes.

 

[Hentenza]

Well.

If you sin you loose your salvation.

Then your salvation is predicated on your own works, consequently, you preach a works salvation.

If you mouth says " I confess Jesus as my God and my Savior" and your actions are : Murder , greed , fornication that Salvation is NOT upon you and you NOT upon salvation.

That makes you a hypocrate, when mouth tells one thing , and your actions another.

Romans 8
6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; [d]though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified [e] by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved [f] by His life. 11 And not only this, [g]but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

Jesus died for us while we are yet sinners and also having NOW been justified not having LATER been justified.

 

[Lindas Place]

Young's Literal Translation
for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you -- of God the gift,

King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [a]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
English Standard Version (ESV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

 

[Lindas Place]

Well.

If you sin you loose your salvation.

If you mouth says " I confess Jesus as my God and my Savior" and your actions are : Murder , greed , fornication that Salvation is NOT upon you and you NOT upon salvation.

That makes you a hypocrate, when mouth tells one thing , and your actions another.

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:18-20

 

[timur123456789]

We are saved by LOVING God and your closed ones.
And LOVING is a process not a ONE TIME EVENT.

 

[Hentenza]

Yes.

Do you sin?

 

[Lindas Place]

We are saved by LOVING God and your closed ones.
And LOVING is a process not a ONE TIME EVENT.

We are saved by grace...


Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this not from yourselves, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD —

 

[timur123456789]

Well,
Grace IS when we repent and Love God and your closed ones.
That what grace is .

We get it for FREE!

 

[Hentenza]

We are saved by LOVING God and your closed ones.
And LOVING is a process not a ONE TIME EVENT.

Who are "your closed ones"?

 

[AndOne]

Yes.

Then your are inconsistant according to post #125.

 

[timur123456789]

Then your are inconsistant according to post #125.

why?

 

[greatdivide46]

If you don't believe man can keep himself saved and you don't believe God will keep man saved... that's a big problem for man... and Christ died for nothing.

I do believe God will keep man saved -- as long as that man desires to remain saved. Man can in no way keep himself saved. Two problems I see with OSAS are that it takes away man's free will and makes God's power dependent on keeping people saved. I don't think either of those are true.

 

[Lindas Place]

I do believe God will keep man saved -- as long as that man desires to remain saved. Man can in no way keep himself saved. Two problems I see with OSAS are that it takes away man's free will and makes God's power dependent on keeping people saved. I don't think either of those are true.

Do you think God's discipline is taking away our free will... what about Jonah?

We have free will to accept or reject Christ… If we accept Christ, Jonah is a good example of a believers free will… notice God did not ask Jonahs permission to discipline him… God did it in spite of Jonahs free will… All God’s children are disciplined whether we want it or not… and to say that God’s discipline may not work, is to say God doesn’t know what He doing as a Father… basically it’s saying the Father doesn’t know how to control His kids… or lacks the power...

Jonah Flees From the LORD
"Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me."
But Jonah ran away from the LORD he found a ship bound for that Tarshish
Then the LORD sent a great wind on the sea
The saliors knew he was running away from the LORD,
because he had already told them so.
Jonah said, Pick me up and throw me into the sea,
But the LORD provided a great fish to swallow Jonah
And the LORD commanded the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.
Then the word of the LORD came to Jonah a second time:
2 "Go to the great city of Nineveh and proclaim to it the message I give you."
Jonah obeyed
God had compassion and did not bring upon Nineveh the destruction he had threatened
But Jonah was greatly displeased and became angry.
I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity. 3 Now, O LORD, take away my life, for it is better for me to die than to live
But the LORD replied, "Have you any right to be angry?"
Then the LORD God provided a vine and made it grow up over Jonah to give shade for his head to ease his discomfort, and Jonah was very happy about the vine. But at dawn the next day God provided a worm, which chewed the vine so that it withered.
When the sun rose, God provided a scorching east wind, and the sun blazed on Jonah's head so that he grew faint. He wanted to die, and said, "It would be better for me to die than to live."
But God said to Jonah, "Do you have a right to be angry about the vine?"
"I do," he said. "I am angry enough to die."
But the LORD said, "You have been concerned about this vine, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up overnight and died overnight.
But Nineveh has more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left, and many cattle as well. Should I not be concerned about that great city?"

 

[timur123456789]

Who are "your closed ones"?

YLT Luke
36 `Who, then, of these three, seemeth to thee to have become neighbour of him who fell among the robbers?'

37 and he said, `He who did the kindness with him,' then Jesus said to him, `Be going on, and thou be doing in like manner.'

Who are "your closed ones"?

Jesus: He who did the kindness