Once saved always saved?

[GreenMunchkin]

This is such a fundamental part of our faith, but no-one seems to know for sure. I certainly don't. I think yes, but it'd be good for us to discuss it.

Equally, we all sin every day so, as many believe, do we need to repent in order to stay saved? If we don't repent, do we lose salvation? If so, what did Jesus accomplish on the Cross if not our salvation?

Maybe collectively we'll come up with some never before discovered jewel of information that tells us definitively one way or the other

 

[Lisa0315]

I am OSAS, but I am too sleepy to defend it.

I am going to bed.

G'night y'all.

Lisa

 

[drstevej]

OJSG
Once justified, surely glorified
Romans 8:30

Eternal Life is eternal (what a concept)

 

[A New Dawn]

OJSG
Once justified, surely glorified
Romans 8:30

Eternal Life is eternal (what a concept)

Hey! I was going to post that!

I'll just add a copy of the scripture.

[BIBLE]Romans 8:30[/BIBLE]

 

[Vambram]

I believe in OSAS, but this doctrine is better understood in my opinon as the eternal perseverance of the saints. Once Saved, a person becomes sealed into the family of God, and he is always saved, under the power of the Holy Spirit and the Grace of the Father keeping them Saved. However, as we know, it takes more than just a mere verbal prayer or verbal profession of faith to receive the forgiveness of Sin and Salvation from Sin.

Let me post just a couple of verses that I believe teach the eternal security of believers.

John 10:25-30
25 Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me.
26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
30 I and My Father are one."


And I also love what the Apostle Paul says in 2 Timothy 1:6-12
6 Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands.
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God,
9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,
11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
12 For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day.

There are indeed many other passages of Scripture that teach about the eternal security of the believer and that one whom is truly born-again cannot lose his salvation. However, I believe that the two passages I posted are extremely clear in supporting the doctrine of OSAS or the eternal perseverance of the saints.

 

[ReformedChapin]

OJSG
Once justified, surely glorified
Romans 8:30

Eternal Life is eternal (what a concept)

 

[waiting for him]

John 3:16..., For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son (Note this is Jesus). That whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have EVERLASTING life.
Pretty much sums it up. Why would God send his son to die on the cross to save us and then turn around and take it away. Mind you that on that day when Jesus died he knew then what our sins where. He shed his blood so that it would cover our sins. Now if it was for nothing why in the world would God let those people beat his son to death. Jesus was perfect and that is why he done it. Just for us. God says to turn from your sin. Because you are a Christian God doesn't want you to fall over and over when you know what is right. You can not loose your salvation. If that was so then how can anyone proclaim they are saved or for that fact..., there is probably no one in heaven right. I mean not to make anyone madd but it is the truth. I will speak of him because he is my savior. He gave me a new life and without him I would be nothing. Why would someone who has gave us so many promises and turn around and snatch it away??? I hope you will find your answer. I will be praying for you.
Christian Ann

 

[Angel4Truth]

Salvation is assured :

John 6: 28. Then they said to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?''
29. Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.''

Ephesians 1: 13. In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14. who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Romans 8
1. There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8 :15. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father.''

 

[Melethiel]

You cannot lose salvation, but you can reject it.

 

[dinkime]

You cannot lose salvation, but you can reject it.

 

[Albion]

You cannot lose salvation, but you can reject it.

So that would be to deny OSAS, right?

 

[Zacharias]

If you are of the elect (your name was written in the book of life from the foundation of the world), you will be saved. If you are not of the elect (your name wasn't written in the book of life from the foundation of the world), you will not be saved.

Ephesians 1:4-5 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Revelation 17:8 ... whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

You cannot lose salvation, but you can reject it.

That's exactly how I see it, too So what does it mean to reject it? People who were Christian and then turned their back on it and converted to Islam or Buddhism or get involved in occultism, for example... or if you reject it, does that mean you were never one of the elect?

 

[Zacharias]

or if you reject it, does that mean you were never one of the elect?

It means that you were never one of the elect. The Bible says the Book of Life was written before the world was made.

 

[ReformedChapin]

It means that you were never one of the elect. The Bible says the Book of Life was written before the world was made.

AMEN!

 

[free2be]

I do believe once saved, always saved. God promises eternal salvation to those who believe in Jesus. Eternal salvation isn't from death on, it isn't for 10 years, 20 years...it's for eternity. God doesn't lie, when He says eternal, He means eternal...when God makes a promise, He doesn't break it.

As in Romans 10:9, salvation is from the time that you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead. Romans 10:13 For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Ephesians 4:30 tells us that we are sealed by God to guarantee our future inheritance. We are saved by God, our salvation is secured by God, we are forever secure...whereas if we are responsible for securing our own salvation, it will be lost.

 

[drstevej]

John 6:44

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

It means that you were never one of the elect. The Bible says the Book of Life was written before the world was made.

So does that in any way negate the idea of free will?

And where does that leave blaspheming the Holy Spirit? Or do you never need to have been a believer to do that?

 

[CyberPaladin]

I figure I will throw in my 2 cents on this which is I tend to lean towards OSAS camp because of indications given in Scripture. However though I'm unwilling to reject the possibilty that someone who was save could turn there back on Christ for something like Isalm for inorder to do that I would have to judge someone else's heart which is clealy an action Christians are not supposed to do.

 

[Zugzwang]

Obviously i'm new to this part of CF, I too tend to lean towards OSAS, cept when I don't "feel" saved, b/c of whatever. However, the eventual question always comes up that should be adressed about this topic...

There's a verse that mentions God BLOTTING OUT someone's name in the book of life, so obviously they WERE saved, yet their salvation was removed by God, so how do you explain that?

Now instead of just agreeing, we can actually discuss it.