It is a process, being saved, daily, becoming sons of God. When we come to Christ, we are saved from our past sins, and if we continue to walk in the light, we will continue too be cleansed of the sins that are still committed because of sin living in us.
Not being one to dance around the facts too long, let's cut to the chase on this subject. It's not like I haven't examined or held them both at some time past, being critical in the extreme of what I hold. Wanting to be both IN Truth and 'truthful' to The Word as my measures.
None of us should be willing to say we cut sin/evil within ourselves any slack, period, end of conversation. And we all also know either by experience or by observation that sincere believers can fall away. And we all are commanded, YES (I know the Grace Alone folk hate this) we are commanded to depart from iniquity. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that these particular matters are a solid unchangeable fact.
Would you agree or disagree? And let's not get too picky or particular about these general observations. If you agree will try to go on with civil discourse.
IF not, I might just have to say you might be saved and you might not be. There really is no way to tell from your own statements as if your position is that you might not be then...you might not be as you say it yourself.
So, since sin still lives in us, that means that we can begin to do it willfully, and fall away, because we begin to ignore this great salvation.
My alltime almost favorite subject. Get back to me on the above and then we may plumb these depths a little closer. I think you may find it interesting.
I agree fwiw because it's true. I might not term 'sin' as 'living' though. Maybe more like 'death' huh? Maybe even 'walking' death? If we walk in sin we technically are walking in death.
Giver says that we can lose our salvation, but cannot sin, which makes no sense.
Many believers have tried to point that out to him, but he seems to prefer the delusion aka a lie. We all know we can not say we have no sin and be in Truth. He chooses to bypass that matter.
Anyone 'legitimately' engaged in faith is factually engaged in a battle, primarily focused within. Some are not front line warrior (grunts), so their discourse does not carry the same intensity or gravity nor does it have to. Others are more interested in setting sights that work against our enemies, which are mutual. We are all supposed to be on the same page on these matters aren't we?
For the record other believers are not my enemies.
What else would make us fall, except for us giving in to sin? But you, believe that we do sin,
So do you. Look at your own factual statement above.
Scriptures do tell us 'how to divide.' I can tell you it is quite a painful, long and slow process. OR it can be fast and somewhat instantaneous given a miracle or two. Like Paul being struck by blinding light. It divided him from his enemy(s) permanently almost immediately, but he still spent 14 years in the seat of revelation teachings. Mostly like us, being deeply engaged in the scriptures and His Spirit. I love this part of my life as well having a similar relationship. It has been wonderful in this respect for a very long time. The Spirit of God is a most marvelous teacher. And commands us to share and exchange. To barter for souls, etc. It's quite engaging.
also that we can't lose our salvation,
I've never said that. Not a once on these boards, ever. Please read closer. One can assuredly fall in this present life. That does not automatically equate to the eternal loss of salvation. It may mean you have a little smaller mansion on the outskirts of heaven or you will be maybe spiritually smaller in the next age. But eternally lost. Uh no. There just is no such animal anywhere in the text laid on New Testament believers. It doesn't exist in the text, period. But this does not speak to all of what we are currently. And that is where the subject matter will get considerably more interesting to you, personally. You may not be equipped to have an adult conversation about it. A lot of 'new' or 'younger' believers are not able to handle it. Most need to learn by the painful experience of falling to the enemy. They need battle scars to learn. And I understand that. Been there. I don't know what Gods Plan for you is in this particular arena. I know He has one though.
So, He will either show Himself in you with me in truthful discourse. Or. That's how it works. You see just by picking these subjects up the 'internal resistance' factor gets quite riled. Especially when talking to believers like me.
but I say to you also, if we continue in that sin, that you say we can commit, willingly, would we not then be trying to justify that sin, rather than repenting and being forgiven, we ignore it, we would then begin to fall from the faith that saves.
I think we've covered this.
Get back to me on the above. Will see where it goes. It 'might' not go.
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