Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS) or Keep the faith until the end?

[Clare73]

What do you mean by “carve out”?

Carve out = separated from the group (mankind), exception, special treatment.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's not a statement that he is trying to save only the Jews. . .

That's a statement that this particular parable is about the Jews.

I disagree I believe it refers to everyone because Jesus didn’t only call Jews to repentance but Gentiles as well. Like I said who Jesus was referring to is irrelevant. The point of posting this passage was to prove that not everyone whom Jesus is trying to save will be saved. What the passage teaches is that only those who cooperate with Him will bear fruit and be saved. It’s not automatic, it’s not completely God’s work apart from any cooperation from us and this passage proves that.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Carve out = exception, special treatment.

I don’t think Jesus only gives special treatment to the Jews but to all believers. Luke 13:6-9 is a parallel passage to John 15:2. Both of these passages refer to everyone who is in Christ not only Jews.

 

[Clare73]

I disagree I believe it refers to everyone because Jesus didn’t only call Jews to repentance but Gentiles as well.

Jesus did not preach to the Gentiles.
Paul preached to the Gentiles.

Jesus preached to the Jews, and their leaders rejected him.

Like I said who Jesus was referring to is irrelevant. The point of posting this passage was to prove that not everyone whom Jesus is trying to save will be saved. What the passage teaches is that only those who cooperate with Him will bear fruit and be saved. It’s not automatic, it’s not completely God’s work apart from any cooperation from us and this passage proves that.

 

[Hoping2]

Who said that there is sin in Christ?

Everyone that says they are "in Christ", but still sinning.

No true believer lives in a sinless perfection. Neither did Abraham, Moses, David, Peter etc.

Then God's gift of repentance from sin is a waste of time.
Men either turn from sin, or they don't.
All the OT men could not crucify the flesh with the affections and lust, like we in the NT can.
They had to walk in and after the flesh, instead of in and after the Spirit.

But if we are truly saved, we have the Holy Spirit in us, a helper, to turn away from our sin and repent.

That being the case, why do you think nobody take advantage of the Comforter's help ?
If they did, wouldn't they be free of sin, like Paul teaches in Romans 6 ?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Then God's gift of repentance from sin is a waste of time.
Men either turn from sin, or they don't.
All the OT men could not crucify the flesh with the affections and lust, like we in the NT can.
They had to walk in and after the flesh, instead of in and after the Spirit.

Peter waa a NT believer. He sinned after being saved, and is in Heaven.

OT believers were saved the same way, by grace alone, by faith alone, by Christ alone, regenerated by the Holy Spirit.

Have you lived a sinless life after being saved? Because if you sinned, you already lost your salvation according to your words. As John says 'If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.' 1 John 1 8' and this John talking about Christians btw

 

[BNR32FAN]

The only real objection against OSAS is not salvation... it is sin.
The objection, of course, is that OSAS could be interpreted as a "license to sin."
Yet, of all the OSAS proponents I have encountered, I have never heard anyone state they believe this. Nobody says, "Well, I believe in OSAS so I can 'live like hell' and still feel secure in my eternal destiny." That is the assumption of the teaching's detractors. It is a common debate tactic to restate an argument out of context and then refute it(straw man).

While I do agree that most people who believe in eternal security don’t say that a person can sin all they want, there are many who do actually say that you can sin all you want. Dtaylor is one person on this forum that teaches this. There are others as well. Bob Wilkin teaches this as well and he even went so far as to say that someone could even worship satan and he would still be saved. So there are some denominations, like for example the free grace evangelists who literally do teach this, whereas most others who believe in eternal security would say that such an individual was never saved to begin with. I agree that it is both unfair and untruthful to say that all who believe in eternal security believe in a license to sin but I would also say that it is equally untruthful to say that none of them do.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Everyone that says they are "in Christ", but still sinning.

Then God's gift of repentance from sin is a waste of time.
Men either turn from sin, or they don't.
All the OT men could not crucify the flesh with the affections and lust, like we in the NT can.
They had to walk in and after the flesh, instead of in and after the Spirit.

That being the case, why do you think nobody take advantage of the Comforter's help ?
If they did, wouldn't they be free of sin, like Paul teaches in Romans 6 ?

Everyone who is in Christ still sins. Are you saying that you never sin? The scriptures even specifically state that believers still sin. We’re to avoid sin as much as possible but we all fail to live a perfect life without sin.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Now you’re making up verses that aren’t in the scriptures in order to support your false accusations?

Which verse is not in the Scripture?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Which verse is not in the Scripture?

Woe to those who reject God's grace and rely on themselves to get to Heaven.

 

[Clare73]

Well i can see you have not expanded your mind enough to decern what i was saying.

And I see you do not address the Scriptures presented, but present only your opinion.

Until you Biblically show my error, your assertion is without Biblical merit.

 

[Hoping2]

Peter waa a NT believer. He sinned after being saved, and is in Heaven.

What sin did he commit after receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost ?

OT believers were saved the same way, by grace alone, by faith alone, by Christ alone, regenerated by the Holy Spirit.

OT believers who all walked in the flesh, had the Law's atonements for their sins.

Have you lived a sinless life after being saved?

My salvation won't come until the day of judgement.
I have not committed any sin since I repented of sin.

Because if you sinned, you already lost your salvation according to your words.

That would be, in a sense, true.
Further sin would actually just show I had never repented of sin or been reborn of God's seed.

As John says 'If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.' 1 John 1 8' and this John talking about Christians btw

Verse 8, and 6, and 10, apply to those walking in darkness, which Pro 4:19 says is "the way of the wicked".
I walk in the light, which is God; and there is no sin in here.

 

[Hoping2]

Everyone who is in Christ still sins.

If true, then there is sin in Christ.

Are you saying that you never sin?

That is correct.

The scriptures even specifically state that believers still sin.

Where ?

We’re to avoid sin as much as possible but we all fail to live a perfect life without sin.

We need not fail.
It is written..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)
Look for the escapes !

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

What sin did he commit after receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost ?

Galatians 2 11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him in public, because he was clearly wrong. 12 Before some men who had been sent by James arrived there, Peter had been eating with the Gentile believers. But after these men arrived, he drew back and would not eat with the Gentiles, because he was afraid of those who were in favor of circumcising them. 13 The other Jewish believers also started acting like cowards along with Peter; and even Barnabas was swept along by their cowardly action. 14 When I saw that they were not walking a straight path in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you have been living like a Gentile, not like a Jew. How, then, can you try to force Gentiles to live like Jews?”

OT believers who all walked in the flesh, had the Law's atonements for their sins.

Galatians 2 16 Yet we know that a person is put right with God only through faith in Jesus Christ, never by doing what the Law requires

Law never saved anyone. Law showed us our sins, but the law cannot saved, it is too weak. Romans 8 The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.

Galatians 3:11 “Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for ‘The righteous shall live by faith.’” Some might want to dismiss this passage as only applying to the New Testament, but Paul is quoting Habakkuk 2:4; salvation by faith, apart from the Law was an Old Testament principle. Paul taught that the purpose of the Law was to serve as a “tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith” Galatians 3:24. Also, in Romans 3:20 Paul makes the point that keeping the Law did not save either Old or New Testament Jews because “no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law.” The Law was never intended to save anyone; the purpose of the Law was to make us “conscious of sin.”

My salvation won't come until the day of judgement.

Wrong. Salvation is when Christ declares 'your sins have been forgiven'. When God has mercy upon a sinner and washes him away from above, and the sinner is sealed by the Spirit, this is when we are saved.

You rely on yourself for salvation. This is what every false religion does.

I have not committed any sin since I repented of sin.

No Christian lives in a sinless perfection. The only person the Bible describes as sinless is Jesus Christ.

In Matthew 6:12 Jesus is instructing us how to pray. If Jesus told us to ask God for forgiveness, it would seem we will always need forgiveness. And, in 1 John 1:8, John, when he says “we” and “us,” is referring to himself and other believers. The apostle whom Jesus loved recognized that he was not sinless, and apparently did not even consider the idea that someone to whom he was writing might be sinless.

Until we are glorified in God’s presence in heaven, though, we will still inhabit a sin-infected body. The struggle against our flesh is constant, even for the most mature Christian

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Now you’re making up verses that aren’t in the scriptures in order to support your false accusations?

I never claimed this verse in Scripture.

What is in the Scripture however is that the only way to the Father is through Christ alone. As He says ' I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture'. People who are trying to get to Heaven by their own deeds, are trying to get to Heaven by their own way, but they will fail. Woe to anyone who is trying to get to Heaven by their own deeds, they will be condemned.

 

[Hoping2]

Galatians 2 11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him in public, because he was clearly wrong. 12 Before some men who had been sent by James arrived there, Peter had been eating with the Gentile believers. But after these men arrived, he drew back and would not eat with the Gentiles, because he was afraid of those who were in favor of circumcising them. 13 The other Jewish believers also started acting like cowards along with Peter; and even Barnabas was swept along by their cowardly action. 14 When I saw that they were not walking a straight path in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you have been living like a Gentile, not like a Jew. How, then, can you try to force Gentiles to live like Jews?”

What was the sin ?
Peter wanted to please visiting Jews, but it came at the expense of the freedom the entire church has in Christ.
He missed an opportunity to make that point.
I sure wish we had the rest of that story. Did the Jews come under the Gentile roofs and eat with them ?
Did the visitors say they had hoped they would get a chance to try Gentile foods ?
Or did the Jews stay separate, and Paul needed to reprimand them too ?

Galatians 2 16 Yet we know that a person is put right with God only through faith in Jesus Christ, never by doing what the Law requires

Jesus' requirements were the synopsis of the Law...love God and love neighbor.

Law never saved anyone. Law showed us our sins, but the law cannot saved, it is too weak. Romans 8 The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.

Thank God that sinful nature was destroyed at its crucifixion with Christ, and we were raised with Christ to walk in newness of life !

Galatians 3:11 “Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for ‘The righteous shall live by faith.’” Some might want to dismiss this passage as only applying to the New Testament, but Paul is quoting Habakkuk 2:4; salvation by faith, apart from the Law was an Old Testament principle. Paul taught that the purpose of the Law was to serve as a “tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith” Galatians 3:24. Also, in Romans 3:20 Paul makes the point that keeping the Law did not save either Old or New Testament Jews because “no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law.” The Law was never intended to save anyone; the purpose of the Law was to make us “conscious of sin.”

I agree, but I don't think for a second that Jesus left us as powerless as the Jews once were, after His resurrection.

Wrong. Salvation is when Christ declares 'your sins have been forgiven'. When God has mercy upon a sinner and washes him away from above, and the sinner is sealed by the Spirit, this is when we are saved.

Good for today, but where will I be in ten years ?
Still faithful ?
Who knows ?

You rely on yourself for salvation. This is what every false religion does.

As I am the one that is going to be judged on the last day, it is up to me to keep loving God with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength...and my neighbor as myself.
If I turn from faith, and back to sin, my prior claims of conversion are null and void.
It is written..."But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." (Heb 10:39)
No OSAS there...eh ?

No Christian lives in a sinless perfection. The only person the Bible describes as sinless is Jesus Christ.

Isn't He our example ?
It is written..."And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." (1 John 2:3-6)
I am not going to ignore John's words.

In Matthew 6:12 Jesus is instructing us how to pray. If Jesus told us to ask God for forgiveness, it would seem we will always need forgiveness.

It was an apt prayer, for the OT.

And, in 1 John 1:8, John, when he says “we” and “us,” is referring to himself and other believers. The apostle whom Jesus loved recognized that he was not sinless, and apparently did not even consider the idea that someone to whom he was writing might be sinless.

It was those who walked in darkness (sin) who could not say they had fellowship with God, had no sin, or even that they knew Him.
Those who walk in the light (God), can say yes to all those things.

Until we are glorified in God’s presence in heaven, though, we will still inhabit a sin-infected body. The struggle against our flesh is constant, even for the most mature Christian

Sin isn't the vessel's fault.
It is the mind that conceives of and initiates sin.
The reborn have the mind of Christ.

 

[The Liturgist]

When I became a born again Christian over 5 years ago, I loved coming to this forum to learn about the Bible. The topic of OSAS was the topic which significantly held my interest. I went back and forth on the issue, and I really wanted to believe OSAS is true, for peace of mind. Thing is, I could never get peace in letting this doctrine settle,and I believe it's for this reason: OSAS is a false doctrine meant to make us lazy, useless in the body of Christ, and possibly even send one to hell. Without posting every verse in the Bible which supports my belief, I will post this one: Matthew 24:13 says: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved."
If you believe in the doctrine of OSAS, I beg you to reconsider. By negating OSAS you do not automatically get pigeonholed as one who subscribes to "Lordship Salvation", as this is also a false doctrine. However, you will see that maintaining your relationship (abiding in Christ) is necessary for Christians in order to finish the race. You CAN be born again, yet end up in hell because of your apostasy. Do not be fooled nor lazy about your relationship with God. While it's not a religion, it is a relationship, albeit your most important one and it's so easy to drop the ball in this Laodecian church age we find ourselves. Renew your relationship with God every morning and read His Word everyday. I want all of us to make it and not take our relationship with Him for granted. That means NO deliberate sin, as continual deliberate sinning puts Jesus back on the cross and there is no sacrifice left for us...

Hebrews 10:26-27 says, For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.

Of course we aren't perfect and the Bible tells us that if we say we don't sin, we are liars. However, there's a difference between slipping up, and repenting, and living in sin and, "Oops, Jesus forgive me, Oops, I did it again Jesus, Oops, oops, oops",all in the span of a day or a few days or weeks.

There's a difference between a Christian and a disciple and Jesus want us to be the latter. God bless brothers and sisters, finish the race and will see you in heaven soon!

The early Church had no concept of One Saved, Always Saved. It did have Apokatastasis, but that is quite a different thing.

 

[ViaCrucis]

There are two great errors when it comes to this:

1) If I'm saved, then there is nothing I can do to abandon my salvation. This treats salvation as a kind of passport or golden ticket, and so no matter how we live, as long as we signed on the dotted line at our baptism or when we went up for that altar call, or said that "sinner's prayer" then we're getting into heaven, and that's all that really matters.

2) I must keep my salvation through rigorous maintence, heaven forbid I ever stumble, screw up, or do something wrong--God will drop me at any given moment, so I better keep all my t's crossed and i's dotted, keep all my p's and q's. Salvation is this thing that I have to maintain through my power of being righteous, and God is just waiting for the opportunity to damn me when I screw up one too many times.


The reality is that salvation is a pure gift from God, God doesn't wait for us to get right and come to Him, God comes down, meets us. God is pro-saving sinners. It's not about meeting a standard, it's not about believing all the right things, thinking the right things, doing the right things, or feeling the right things--it's about the Jewish Carpenter born of the Virgin, who walked among us, and suffered and died for us on the Cross, and who rose again. It's about God's love for us, God's love for the unworthy and the unlovely (you and me), God's love toward sinners. That He wants to save us, He will save us--and through faith in Christ we have received God's promise of eternal life, and are children of God united to Him in His love, by HIs grace, through the Holy Spirit.

So then, what about when we inevitably sin, misstep, even severely? It means we have a merciful God who reminds us that if we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us. It means that where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more. But, then, does this mean that since grace abounds, I can go on sinning all willy-nilly and I'm saved no matter what? No. Certainly not. That's why St. John tells us that there is "sin that does not lead unto death" there is "sin that leads unto death"--if we say we are without sin, we deceive ourselves, and we deprive ourselves of the grace that is there in the Gospel, that forgives us and cleanses us--that is why repentance, though tough, brings us before the Throne of Grace, even more, it brings us boldly before the Throne of Grace. For the old man must die, and continue to die--the old man was drowned, it died in our baptism; and yet because we are still in a fallen world, we still have these death-filled bodies, and the sinful appetites, the old man clings, like rust to iron, like filth to flesh, and it must continually be put to death. And, likewise, the new man, which was born and raised by grace, in our baptism, by the power of the Holy Spirit, who lives in and by Christ must always be fed and nourished by the Word, the Gospel sustains us, the Sacraments feed us. The bread and wine of the Lord's Supper is not food for the belly, but food for the soul, it is the body and blood of Christ. When the Word is preached, it is not because we need feel good words or a little bit of encouraging or self-confidence--it's that we need to hear of God's Righteousness, and we ought to live it; and even as we fail because of sin, that we are to bow down in repentance, confessing, and trusting in Mercy--to ever be at the foot of the Cross, for here, in Christ, alone is hope, salvation, and life everlasting.

It's about Grace, and that Grace is free, but not cheap. Grace is not "go on sinning", it's "you are a sinner, yet here is Christ who saves you" and from this same Source comes this Benediction, the same which the Lord said to the woman caught in adultery: "Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more." It's not "go and sin no more, or else I'm gonna get you", it's "you are free, be free" Don't return to your former slavery, you've been released from the yolk of tyrants, don't go back and be subject to the tyrants again. Christ has set you free, be free! You will stumble, you will fail, and you may do so in spectacularly awful ways, ways in which you may begin to think that you have sinned so greatly and so wrongly that you wouldn't dare ever approach the Throne of Grace--but approach it you must! You must come and throw yourself boldly before the Throne of Grace, in repentance, for here the Master is, cast yourself before His dusty sandals, cast yourself before the hem of His tunic, cast yourself before His bloody cross, cry out, fall down, and hear Him say to you, "Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more." And rejoice! Go and be free! Do not return to the tyrants who abuse you and shackle you, and oppress you, who would drown you in mud and filth until you are choked of all the life that is in you. Be free! Come, remember your baptism! Come, receive the Supper of Christ! Come, taste and see that the Lord is good!

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

What was the sin ?

The problem with Paul’s withdrawal from table fellowship with non-Jews was what it communicated about the nature of the gospel. It implied that in addition to what God accomplished for sinful humanity through the atoning death of Christ, people had to contribute something to their own redemption before reconciliation with God was complete and fellowship with other, fully justified Christians was possible.

This serious miscommunication about the nature of the gospel was not a matter of Peter’s active teaching and preaching, nor even, apparently, of any particularly dramatic action or stand on his part. He simply began to withdraw from fellowship with Christians who were not like him. Even churches whose doors are obviously open to all kinds of people can compromise the truth of the gospel by not taking the time, trouble, and resources necessary to incorporate people of various backgrounds into the life of the church. It is possible to communicate through withdrawal from or neglect of those who differ from the majority that the gospel is really only for people who are like most other people in the church. This passage clearly teaches that this subtle but very common problem in the church is a serious distortion of the gospel and needs the corrective rebuke of the apostle Paul.

Peter's sin was hypocrisy. It's even in the text. Hypocrisy is a sin

Jesus' requirements were the synopsis of the Law...love God and love neighbor.

We are not capable of keeping the Law. That's why it was given, for us to realise we need a Saviour, someone, who can keep the Law. The Law cannot save, the Bible is full of it. The Law does not atone, the only thing in the Bible that atones is the blood of Christ.

Good for today, but where will I be in ten years ?
Still faithful ?
Who knows ?

See, you are worried about salvation. You might think you haven't sinned, what if you did but you don't know about it. You live in fear your whole life. But that is not what Christ teaches us, He teaches us we can be assured.

Furthermore, He says 'Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, John 11:25. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life, John 3:16. John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

All one has to do to receive eternal life is to believe. It says nothing about doing deeds, or you will lose your salvation. Believe and be saved. Now, many proclaim to believe, but their faith is dead. This is talking about the living faith, that too is a gift from God. The living faith then shows in the believers life in the way the believer lives and resembles Christ.

Did you notice John 5 24 says believe to pass from judgement to life? How can then a person get back to judgment for something Christ has been already judged for?

Salvation is based on God's grace, not on our deeds.

It was an apt prayer, for the OT.

New Testament believers still pray this prayer.

It is the mind that conceives of and initiates sin.

No. It is the heart where the sin starts. To be sinless, you must not only not commit sin, you must not think it, nor desire it. Everyone breaks the first commandment every day, even believers. None of us love God the way we should.

 

[Hoping2]

The problem with Paul’s (sic) withdrawal from table fellowship with non-Jews was what it communicated about the nature of the gospel.

Agreed.

It implied that in addition to what God accomplished for sinful humanity through the atoning death of Christ, people had to contribute something to their own redemption before reconciliation with God was complete and fellowship with other, fully justified Christians was possible.

I see none of that.
Peter's problem was that he was still trying to live the life of the Jews, while at the same time trying to live according to the Gentiles.
The visit by the Jews put him in a bind, and he gravitated back to living as the Jews did...including not eating with Gentiles.
What it erroneously implied, was that any part of the OT Jewish lifestyle still had any gravity.

This serious miscommunication about the nature of the gospel was not a matter of Peter’s active teaching and preaching, nor even, apparently, of any particularly dramatic action or stand on his part. He simply began to withdraw from fellowship with Christians who were not like him.

It was fear of what the Jews would think, that drove him away from fellowship with Gentiles.

Even churches whose doors are obviously open to all kinds of people can compromise the truth of the gospel by not taking the time, trouble, and resources necessary to incorporate people of various backgrounds into the life of the church.

That would have been the position Peter assumed the visiting Jews would take.
ie..."separation from the unclean".

It is possible to communicate through withdrawal from or neglect of those who differ from the majority that the gospel is really only for people who are like most other people in the church. This passage clearly teaches that this subtle but very common problem in the church is a serious distortion of the gospel and needs the corrective rebuke of the apostle Paul.

Peter's dissimulation may indeed have made the Gentiles feel inferior to the Jews, though that is not mentioned.
I wish we had more written on the post-arrival of the Jews.

Peter's sin was hypocrisy. It's even in the text. Hypocrisy is a sin

Where in the text ?
What you see as hypocrisy, I see as catering to the visitors.
Is putting out the good towels, or best dishes, when visitors come by, hypocrisy ?

We are not capable of keeping the Law.

Agreed, making me thankful that we can be made dead to it by Christ.

That's why it was given, for us to realise we need a Saviour, someone, who can keep the Law. The Law cannot save, the Bible is full of it. The Law does not atone, the only thing in the Bible that atones is the blood of Christ.

Christ showed us the core of the Law, and that all men can keep that core.

See, you are worried about salvation. You might think you haven't sinned, what if you did but you don't know about it.

As all sin is the product of four stages, (James 1:14-15), I don't believe there is unintentional sin.

You live in fear your whole life. But that is not what Christ teaches us, He teaches us we can be assured.

I have seen many fall away from the faith and back into sin.
What I believe now may change in the future, to my own destruction.

Furthermore, He says 'Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, John 11:25. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life, John 3:16. John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

Does your POV consider adulterers, liars, thieves, and murderers, as faithful believers ?
I don't.

All one has to do to receive eternal life is to believe. It says nothing about doing deeds, or you will lose your salvation. Believe and be saved. Now, many proclaim to believe, but their faith is dead. This is talking about the living faith, that too is a gift from God. The living faith then shows in the believers life in the way the believer lives and resembles Christ.

That is not the gospel of Jesus Christ.
You discount repentance from sin, and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
Not to mention enduring faithfully until the end.

Did you notice John 5 24 says believe to pass from judgement to life? How can then a person get back to judgment for something Christ has been already judged for?

It starts with belief in Him who sent Jesus.
That belief in Him, is also belief in what He commanded..."Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect". (Matt 5:48)
Belief will foster a pure life.

Salvation is based on God's grace, not on our deeds.

God's grace need our deeds, in order to be manifested to others.
God's grace is not manifested by liars and thieves.

New Testament believers still pray this prayer.

I disagree.

No. It is the heart where the sin starts.

The "heart" is the mind.

To be sinless, you must not only not commit sin, you must not think it, nor desire it.

That is correct, and perfectly doable by the grace of God, and the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the destruction of the old man with his affections and lusts, and a dozen more helps.

Everyone breaks the first commandment every day, even believers. None of us love God the way we should.

This may be your chance to break free from such a horrible situation.