Once again, CREATIONISTS!

[EnemyPartyII]

You mean you big armchair "scientists" are asking little ole' me, a fundamental, independent Baptist, to show arithmetic evidence that creationism isn't a PRATT?

I'm humbled!

come on... thanks for the reps, but please... put up or shut up... in what concievable way is an apple, pencil, armchair, whatever, evidence of ex nihilio creation, rather than evidence of a 15 billion year, macro-cosmological micro-evolutionary creation?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

LOL --- I've pwned many people with that simple challenge* --- and I'll continue to use it whenever someone asks for either proof or evidence of creationism.

*Note: I consider someone who doesn't answer it, or answers it like Deadbolt did, as "pwned."

AV you don't even know what pwned really means. It means what has happened to you on thread after thread especially your "Taking Questions Thread", that you asked to have closed because you were so badly pwned but are still proud of for some strange reason.

All your silly apple challenge does is illustrate that the Omphalos hypothesis can't be falsified. It in NO WAY provides any answers to the OP. You seldom provide any evidence of anything outside of Bible verses. You only provide goofy analogies and word games that you think are answers but that are in fact totally useless except to attempt to distract attention from the fact that there is no object evidence for creationism.

The fact that you can't absolutely prove that I don't have an invisible pink unicorn in my back yard does not mean that I have any evidence for the existence of such a beast.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

AV you don't even know what pwned really means. It means what has happened to you on thread after thread especially your "Taking Questions Thread", that you asked to have closed because you were so badly pwned but are still proud of for some strange reason.

All your silly apple challenge does is illustrate that the Omphalos hypothesis can't be falsified. It in NO WAY provides any answers to the OP. You seldom provide any evidence of anything outside of Bible verses. You only provide goofy analogies and word games that you think are answers but that are in fact totally useless except to attempt to distract attention from the fact that there is no object evidence for creationism.

The fact that you can't absolutely prove that I don't have an invisible pink unicorn in my back yard does not mean that I have any evidence for the existence of such a beast.

NOOOOO! *desperate, pathetic, should-have-known-better wails echo mournfully, yet ever more faintly, towards the surface as EnemyPartyII and the whole thread plunge backwards, flailing, into the rabbit hole*

 

[Molal]

AV...Believe me, this speaks volumes, and I've used this challenge as near proof that it is impossible to "come up with an argument for creationism," as your OP is asking for....

I think we can lay that one to rest then.

Let's talk about science.

 

[TheOutsider]

We had a similar to this several months ago. The thread kept going for over a month and over 200 posts without a single bit of positive objective evidence for Creationism. It was sad, in a way.

 

[Split Rock]

LOL --- I've pwned many people with that simple challenge* --- and I'll continue to use it whenever someone asks for either proof or evidence of creationism.

*Note: I consider someone who doesn't answer it, or answers it like Deadbolt did, as "pwned."

And I will consider anyone who uses useless theoretically arguments about imaginary apples to be *pwned*. Consider yourself pwned, AVET.

 

[AV1611VET]

We had a similar to this several months ago. The thread kept going for over a month and over 200 posts without a single bit of positive objective evidence for Creationism. It was sad, in a way.

Why was it sad? What evidence were you looking for? Didn't you see my Apple Challenge thread?

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Good deal, Deadbolt --- I don't blame you --- because then you'd have to admit that evidence for ex nihilo creation can indeed exist - (as I showed Thaumaturgy).

Um...haven't you spend the last eight months telling us that there can never be evidence for ex nihilo creation?

 

[AV1611VET]

Um...haven't you spend the last eight months telling us that there can never be evidence for ex nihilo creation?

You would have had to been alive during the Creation Week to see the physical evidence for ex nihilo Creation.

But as far as my Apple Challenge goes, if someone could do that, there is a way it could be proven he did - (sorta).

 

[MrGoodBytes]

You would have had to been alive during the Creation Week to see the physical evidence for ex nihilo Creation.

Then what did you show thaumaturgy?

But as far as my Apple Challenge goes, if someone could do that, there is a way it could be proven he did - (sorta).

Yes, with a video camera.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, with a video camera.

MrGoodBytes, let's go over this again.

I place an apple into your hand ex nihilo.

Aside from you probably going, "What the...?" and dropping it because an apple suddenly popped into your hand out of thin air; are you telling me that you would go get a video camera, video tape that apple sitting there, take the video to your friend and try and convince him with that?

Is that what you're saying?

I don't understand what you guys mean by, "I'd videotape it."

 

[TheOutsider]

Why was it sad? What evidence were you looking for? Didn't you see my Apple Challenge thread?

I think you missed me saying "positive objective evidence". Through your Apple Challenge you showed that there is absolutely no evidence at all for Ex Nihilo creation. I don't see any reason to believe in something that there is no evidence for.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

MrGoodBytes, let's go over this again.

I place an apple into your hand ex nihilo.

Aside from you probably going, "What the...?" and dropping it because an apple suddenly popped into your hand out of thin air; are you telling me that you would go get a video camera, video tape that apple sitting there, take the video to your friend and try and convince him with that?

Is that what you're saying?

I don't understand what you guys mean by, "I'd videotape it."

It means "Videotape the act of creation".

 

[Pete Harcoff]

click here

Man, after reading that thread, I'd hate to have you as a prof.

 

[AV1611VET]

It means "Videotape the act of creation".

Um --- do we have a reading comprehension problem here? Or are you just trying to make it look bad?

Let's try it from another angle:

You're out chopping wood. You hear leaves rustling behind you. You turn around and I'm standing there. I say, "Hold out you hand." You hold out your hand. There's an apple in it. You look up at me, and I say:

"I'll give you a million dollars if you can convince your friend I did this."

What evidence would you use to [at least try to] convince your friend this apple was created ex nihilo?

 

[AV1611VET]

Man, after reading that thread, I'd hate to have you as a prof.

I'll bet you would --- lol --- not one atheist on this forum, if they acted in my class like they do here, would last two days.

I'd bounce you out of my classroom so fast, you'd think you were being raptured.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Um --- do we have a reading comprehension problem here?

Apparently.

Or are you just trying to make it look bad?

Let's try it from another angle:

You're out chopping wood. You hear leaves rustling behind you. You turn around and I'm standing there. I say, "Hold out you hand." You hold out your hand. There's an apple in it. You look up at me, and I say:

"I'll give you a million dollars if you can convince your friend I did this."

What evidence would you use to [at least try to] convince your friend this apple was created ex nihilo?

I would get a decent video camera, point it at my visibly empty hand, then you would repeat your trick and I'll get a million dollars after showing the tape to my friend.

If you are unable or unwilling to repeat the creation, there is no evidence and my friend would not believe me, which is the most rational thing to do.

 

[AV1611VET]

I would get a decent video camera, point it at my visibly empty hand, then you would repeat your trick and I'll get a million dollars after showing the tape to my friend.

Okay --- I'll go that route for a moment --- even though it wasn't a "trick."

You get a camera. I comply and put a second apple into the palm of your hand, this time in front of the camera. You take it to your friend, show him the video, and he believes you --- for that apple.

What evidence would you show him though, that I created the first apple ex nihilo?

If you are unable or unwilling to repeat the creation, there is no evidence and my friend would not believe me, which is the most rational thing to do.

And he would be wrong in not believing you, wouldn't he?

 

[Phred]

Um --- do we have a reading comprehension problem here? Or are you just trying to make it look bad?

Let's try it from another angle:

You're out chopping wood. You hear leaves rustling behind you. You turn around and I'm standing there. I say, "Hold out you hand." You hold out your hand. There's an apple in it. You look up at me, and I say:

"I'll give you a million dollars if you can convince your friend I did this."

What evidence would you use to [at least try to] convince your friend this apple was created ex nihilo?

If I were the one standing there all you could convince me of is that an apple appeared in my hand. Nice magic trick. But before you can convince me that the apple was created ex nihilo you'd have to convince me you did such a thing. Tell me... how did you do such a thing? How, exactly, did you create the molecules of organic sugars and such and then cause them to stick together in such a way as to be the same as an apple? How did you create a permeable membrane around the inner meat? How did you arranged the seeds and how did you decide what DNA structure to give it? How did you make it red or yellow or green or whatever color this apple is? Is there a stem? Why would an apple created here for my benefit require a stem? How did you create that atoms that you organized into molecules? How did you create the sub-atomic particles that the atoms consist of? You don't just think of something and then, like Disney fairies, the component parts rush off to abide by your wishes. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed so where did you get the matter from and then how did you place it exactly where it needed to be?

You say ex nihilo I say you just moved an apple over here from an apple tree someplace else. The concept is one created by those too ignorant to understand it's not possible.

 

[AV1611VET]

If I were the one standing there all you could convince me of is that an apple appeared in my hand. Nice magic trick. But before you can convince me that the apple was created ex nihilo you'd have to convince me you did such a thing.

Oh, for Pete's sake --- I stopped right here, Phred.

No offense, if you don't want to take the challenge, don't; but don't try to unnecessarily convolute this to the point where the point I'm making can't be made.