On the value of Vaccines.

[OldWiseGuy]

Wasn't that exactly what you were proposing when you rejected vaccination?

Vaccination shouldn't replace good health practices. Get your shots but take care of your health.

But on the subject of overpopulation vaccinations certainly don't help. We go against nature thus ensuring a larger population reducing event later.

 

[pitabread]

It's much higher than what people generally believe. People generally believe that if you aren't sick you're healthy. People teeter on the edge of sickness and 'not sick', but are hardly healthy. The only way to understand what true health is is to become truly healthy. For that I would consult the health freaks and gurus. My favorite is Paul C. Bragg's "Miracle of Fasting", called by some the 'bible of health'.

That doesn't really tell me anything. I still have no idea what you think healthy means.

 

[Billy UK]

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[Ophiolite]

I was returning the the sarcasm and at the same time showing you how far we can take this, I understand if you missed it through being unperceptive.

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[Job 33:6]

A immune system that is able to fight of this virus and nutrition has been shown to be a factor scientificuly when it comes to fighting of disease.

Are you aware that small pox killed hundreds of millions of people?

It is true that having a healthy immune system can help fight against some viruses. But of course a lot of it is also based on our genetics, and some viruses can overpower the vast majority of people as seen in this case of smallpox.

Which is why vaccines are important.

 

[Billy UK]

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[Job 33:6]

Are you saying that people are not fighting off this virus naturally and that proper nutrition does not aid in the ability of the body to do so ?

I'm saying that vaccines are important, such as in the case of smallpox that killed hundreds of millions of people, due to the fact that our immune systems were ineffective in stopping it.

In this above case, the human immune system was not able to naturally fight off this virus.

Did our immune systems try to fight off this virus? Sure. Did healthy eating make a difference? Possibly. But ultimately it just wasn't enough to prevent mass casualties of hundreds of millions of people, on a global scale.

 

[Billy UK]

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[Paulos23]

Are you saying that people are not fighting off this virus naturally and that proper nutrition does not aid in the ability of the body to do so ?

By the way what I am against is enforced vaccination

You do know that the symptoms people have is the body trying to fight the virus, and that this virus hijacks the immune cells to attack the body. The immune system can be healthy and overreact and harm the body.

 

[Ophiolite]

Try not to resort to acting like a child because of being unable to construct an argument to prove your point.

The point has been amply demonstrated: your vaguely presented obsession that elevates the obvious point, that the state of an individual's immune system is important in fighting the virus, to the only point to be considered and is used to (dangerously) denigrate the role of a vaccine.

The ongoing posts are simply echoes of your mistaken views and repeated refutations of them.

 

[pitabread]

A immune system that is able to fight of this virus diet and nutrition has been shown to be a factor scientificuly when it comes to fighting of disease. Hence why people with compromised immune systems are more susceptible.

For example refined sugar suppresses the immune system so its a good idea to avoid it when your sick.

Still doesn't tell me what "healthy" means.

If we're talking about relative health, then there needs to be some sort of metric to gauge that. What metric is used to measure the health of one's immune system?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That doesn't really tell me anything. I still have no idea what you think healthy means.

Healthy to me means as healthy as a normal person who has no underlying medical problems can become using rational methods of nutrition, activity, and rest to purposely achieve it.

It's difficult to clinically define 'healthy' as so few attain true health. That's why it's such a subjective term (although it's been co-opted by the 'sickness' care industry). The only way to really understand it is to become healthy oneself.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Try not to resort to acting like a child because of being unable to construct an argument to prove your point.

Perhaps you should avoid strawman arguments.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are you saying that people are not fighting off this virus naturally and that proper nutrition does not aid in the ability of the body to do so ?

By the way what I am against is enforced vaccination

What do you mean by "enforced" ?

I would suggest that it is not unreasonable to limit the activities of those that refuse a vaccination.

 

[Billy UK]

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[Billy UK]

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[pitabread]

Healthy to me means as healthy as a normal person who has no underlying medical problems can become using rational methods of nutrition, activity, and rest to purposely achieve it.

It's difficult to clinically define 'healthy' as so few attain true health. That's why it's such a subjective term (although it's been co-opted by the 'sickness' care industry). The only way to really understand it is to become healthy oneself.

That's still not a useful definition in the context of this discussion. Using terms like "true health" doesn't help matters.

And if you have to fall back on "the only way to understand is..."-type arguments, that suggests that these terms have little relevant meaning to begin with.

 

[pitabread]

Why do you need to limit the activity of those who refuse vaccination considering that those who have been vaccinated are supposedly now protected ?

The only way vaccinations are effective is if vast majority of the population partakes in them to achieve functional herd immunity. Some people cannot (e.g. those who have immunity deficiencies), so the onus is on everyone else to get them.

If some want to actively refuse them for ideological reasons, then yes, it makes sense they don't get to have the same level of participation in society.