justlookinla
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Neither shows there's been no regeneration. Both show that scripture has been embraced in contrast to the doctrines of men.
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I agree to an extent that you can be saved without knowing proper doctrine. But if you are truly regenerated, you will come to believe the true doctrine when you hear it. Denying the deity of Christ and the denial of the trinity shows that there has been no regeneration.
Which God was He with?
Yes.
Would this mean that flesh is God?
Neither shows there's been no regeneration. Both show that scripture has been embraced in contrast to the doctrines of men.
Good question, To answer it is necessary to ask another "What is salvation?"
The God of scripture
No it would mean God wrapped himself in flesh. If he hit his thumb with a hammer and his nail fell off I wouldn't get on my knees and worship his fingernail.
I recently looked up both Trinity and Oneness on Google to learn about each a little. I started trinitarian without having consciously chosen; I was baptized and confirmed Lutheran. In reading my Google search returns, I read one individual's advice; it was that if one is not saved as a trinitarian, they are lost.
The question that came to me is: what is an unsaved person to do as they entertain accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior for the first time? Is how one views the Godhead important in being saved initially, presuming that corrections or adjustments can be made later on. One dilemma is that once saved, they may never wonder if they are thinking about the Godhead correctly. Somewhere along the way, one's understanding of the Godhead must finally matter though in my personal experience it doesn't seem to matter to to a huge majority of people.
At what point does it become important to have a correct understanding of the Godhead? Comments please.
It's just logical thinking. If the word is God and the word became a man, logically that man is God.
The deity of Christ is essential to the Christian Faith.
What do Christian cults have in common with each other? The denial of Christ's deity.
Logically thinking, if someone was with someone, they're two different entities. If God is with God that indicates one God is with another God who isn't the first God.
Not Jesus Christ?
So you think Jesus is a God separate from God the father?
And also,
(EXO 6:3) "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself known to them."
Who is the 'God almighty' who 'appeared' to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob if the father cannot be seen?
Jesus Christ is the God of scripture. The father, (the word) Son and Holy Spirit are all together Jehovah.
Nope. I think Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God....as scripture plainly says.
A man?
Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
No.
Is God with God?
I just proved to you using scripture that Jesus is God. The word WAS God, the WORD BECAME FLESH. Therefor Jesus is God. There is no other way to view this.
Yes, God took the form of a man.
Let's try another.
(Zac 14:3-4) Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.
Here we have 'Gods' feet touching the mount of olives and the mountain splits.
Is this God the fathers feet or Jesus feet? If you say Jesus feet then you must admit Jesus is God.
So scripture is wrong when it says "the word was God"? (John 1:1)
No, you ignored the issue with the term 'with God', which is reinerated in verse 2.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
One of the men was pre-incarnate Christ because it says God appeared and we also know no one can see the Father.Actually, it was men who appeared before Abraham, not man. Are you suggesting that one of the men was the Father....or was one of the men Jesus?
It's Jesus's feet. Why must I admit Jesus is God?
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