on the cusp

[kala83]

i think in all my religious studies I have done through the years the basics of christanity make the most logical and scientific sense to me....

but this does not mean I don't appreciate other faiths or religions for what they were or are ...and stand for.

so days I agree with this and sometimes I don't.....faith is of anything in general is a unknown...so its hard to say what one believes firmly or not.

 

[joey_downunder]

Acceptance of Christianity as the most logical religion is not the same as faith in Christianity. God wants your heart as well as your head.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’

Are you loving Jesus with all your heart if you are using the methods/teachings of other religions?

 

[kala83]

look I am not going to say this again.....I tried to say before that I did not like where this thread is going if people here don't agree with how I do things in my own beliefs thats fine....but you opinions are rather harsh at times.

and I already suffer from depression as is. I believe in god, I believe in Jesus I also do other things that are different. A lot of demonations in faith do the same thing.

I do believe in jesus and I do love him.....so i sometimes meditate like a buddhist or caste certain spells to bring postive energy to ones self......(which for the most part is lighting a candle and saying psotive things towards ones goals). Maybe I am not a child of god like you. But I wish to love him and seek him in my life....so what if its different. I read the bible everyday I pray everyday.

I know that this matters to me, so please stop trying to tell me it does not!
its hurtful and mean and frankly I do not want to have a depressive episode from this.

I am trying to be nice I am trying to be polite and stop the negative energy in the post cause I don't like it. Do not do things to start it back up again.

 

[Strachan]

Hi Kala,

I don't believe anyone is purposefully being mean towards you. In fact, I think most people on here would like to help you. It will be remiss of us not to point you in the right direction, as we will need to account for our own deeds before the Father.

Scripture is very clear that no one can serve two masters. By not fully following Jesus, you are being luke warm. I am perhaps more towards the other extreme of Christianity, as I also do deliverance. Casting spells and conducting pagan rituals means you are in fact practising idolatry and witchcraft, no matter how innocent. These practices open you up for the enemy, and may indeed very well lead to things such as depression.

I do not want to say negative and mean things, I want to help you. Jesus, and only Jesus, is the way, the truth and the life. You need to make a choice, you cannot serve two masters.

Be blessed.

 

[joey_downunder]

look I am not going to say this again.....I tried to say before that I did not like where this thread is going if people here don't agree with how I do things in my own beliefs thats fine....but you opinions are rather harsh at times.

You know I am showing you what God says from scripture. They are not mere opinion. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

and I already suffer from depression as is.

That is not surprising. To use an Aussie saying "you are trying to walk two sides of the barbed wire fence" in a spiritual sense. You are double-minded.

I believe in god, I believe in Jesus I also do other things that are different. A lot of demonations in faith do the same thing.

You know there is a big difference between different customs e.g. methods of worship and different beliefs. Does God say it is permissible for Christians to honour other religions' beliefs?

I do believe in jesus and I do love him.....so i sometimes meditate like a buddhist or caste certain spells to bring postive energy to ones self......(which for the most part is lighting a candle and saying psotive things towards ones goals).

Do you know what it is that has made you decide that faith in Jesus Christ ALONE - is NOT enough for you personally?

See what I highlighted - can you show yourself ANY verse in the Bible where God says it is OK to cast spells to achieve personal goals etc.?

Maybe I am not a child of god like you. But I wish to love him and seek him in my life....so what if its different. I read the bible everyday I pray everyday.

What I am concerned about is that you seem very confused about who Jesus - the Jesus of the Bible - really is.

I am trying to be nice I am trying to be polite and stop the negative energy in the post cause I don't like it. Do not do things to start it back up again.

I am a big sister and a mother in real life.
Part of that "training" has made me able I.e. UNAFRAID to tell the unpleasant truth when it needs to be said. This is potentially your eternal life at risk. Do you want flattery or the truth?

Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better
than love carefully concealed.

 

[Sedoy]

wow me having idols of other gods make evil?
.

Uhhh. yes. Ever heard of Second Commandment?

you want all christians to be the same as everyone else. And its not true I did not make up Christian paganism its been around for years.
.

Just because something has been around for years it does not make it right. Homosexuality has been around for years but it is still a sin.

What you are displaying here is a clear example of an utterly deprived mind in which “love” of God can coexist with breaking His commandments and even calling Him a liar.

Romans 1. 27-29


and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,…

 

[kala83]

ok so if keeping idols is a sin how would you aproach a family that is catholic that keeps an idol of mary in their home.are they not a according to you doing sinful behavior just as much as me.

ALL people sin, do not hold my sins over me and try to tell me mine are some how greater then others. Just due to I am a of a different mind set and different belief then others does not make a demon worshiper and or an evil person and I will not ever believe that.

 

[Sedoy]

ok so if keeping idols is a sin how would you aproach a family that is catholic that keeps an idol of mary in their home.are they not a according to you doing sinful behavior just as much as me.

ALL people sin, do not hold my sins over me and try to tell me mine are some how greater then others. Just due to I am a of a different mind set and different belief then others does not make a demon worshiper and or an evil person and I will not ever believe that.

Not having idols is not a ”maybe” and it is not up to any kind of debate. There is a clear and unquestionable prohibition against that. It is called Second Commandment. If you are Catholic and you a violating it or if you are homosexual/lesbian pagan worshiper and you are violating it. There is no difference.

In case of Catholics they may argue that image of Mary is not an idol, simply an image representing Mary…. Whatever, I am not going to start Catholics vs Protestant squabble here. It is between them and God.

In your case it cannot be clearer. You keep idols from other religions, you do violate Second Commandment and you call Jesus a liar because He said, “I am THE ONLY way”

 

[Sedoy]

All people sinned but those who do not repent from their sins and continue on in their sins, trying to justify their sins with lies are condemned not by me but by God.

I have sinned plenty in my life. But I repented of all of them and I submit myself to God and his commandments and His will. In doing so I love God. I may stumble and fall at times. Hard not to sin in this world full of sin but as soon as I can I get up and confess my sins.

You cannot claim that you “love” God while continuing in sin, disobeying His commandments and calling Him a liar.
I can see your "strategy" though. You ask same question over and over and over, you get answers every time but after asking same thing for 101st time everybody is tired telling you same thing and you declare: "See, nobody can answer my question, so nobody knows better then I do". Self-fooling strategy which you seem to like a lot.

 

[joey_downunder]

ok so if keeping idols is a sin how would you aproach a family that is catholic that keeps an idol of mary in their home.are they not a according to you doing sinful behavior just as much as me.

ALL people sin, do not hold my sins over me and try to tell me mine are some how greater then others. Just due to I am a of a different mind set and different belief then others does not make a demon worshiper and or an evil person and I will not ever believe that.

Re the statue of Mary - RCs say they honor Mary, they don't worship her. They don't see her as another god. That is a massive difference that you are attempting to justify to yourself.

Yes ALL people sin. Yes ALL Christians sin and will sin for the rest of our lives because we are SINNERS. At the same time we are not to willfully and knowingly continue in our sin which is what *you* are doing. Romans 6 NKJV - Dead to Sin, Alive to God

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 6&version=NKJV

 

[Sedoy]

I can see your "strategy". You ask same question over and over and over, you get answers every time but after asking same thing for 101st time everybody is tired telling you same thing and you declare: "See, nobody can answer my question, so nobody knows better then I do". Self-fooling strategy which you seem to like a lot.

 

[kala83]

I am just going to end this by graciously and respectfully saying I disagree with some of the things you all say.

and so I am gonna stop now! out of respect.

 

[joey_downunder]

The problem is that you disagree with what God says kala83. Running away from this topic will not change things in your favour.

Proverbs 18:1 A man who isolates himself seeks his own desire;
He rages against all wise judgment.

Is doing all these things forbidden by scripture pleasing to God or pleasing yourself?

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.

Are you trusting in God ALONE?
Is your life showing that in ALL areas?

Proverbs 16:2 All the ways of a man are pure in his own eyes,
But the Lord weighs the spirits.

Perhaps you can justify what you are doing to yourself, but do you really think God - who has the complete picture - is fooled by your word games?

 

[kala83]

look I am not going to do this anymore it might not seem hurtful to you but it does to me and now I have to deal with the fact that a baby animal of mine has died on me while I am on vacation i am who I am andi am not a bad person.

I have bad mental health issues and doing this is not going to help if I turn a helath debate into a huge arguement then I am not going to feel much better anyway.

so pleas just drop this.

 

[Sedoy]

I am just going to end this by graciously and respectfully saying I disagree with some of the things you all say.

and so I am gonna stop now! out of respect.

Your question has been answered in a few replies on the first page.

You do not love God, you cannot love and know God whose words you deem hateful, whose commands you do not obey. You cannot love God whom you call a liar.

Interesting. Now that I told you what your “strategy” is you are so ready to cut and end this topic. Never happened before. You just keep on asking same question after it is answered until people are tired to repeat answers to you.

Just because you disagree with an answer it does not mean that answer is not valid. It only means that your bias and pre-determined mind is not willing to accept it.

 

[joey_downunder]

look I am not going to do this anymore it might not seem hurtful to you but it does to me and now I have to deal with the fact that a baby animal of mine has died on me while I am on vacation i am who I am andi am not a bad person.

I have bad mental health issues and doing this is not going to help if I turn a helath debate into a huge arguement then I am not going to feel much better anyway.

so pleas just drop this.

I am sorry to read that a pet of yours has died. The death of a very nice pet can be very hard on the owner. I see also that you already have to deal with mental health problems. That is very unfortunate and is a lot more to deal with than many people realise.

Does it occur to you that the second issue of yours makes it even more important to keep your walk with God on the straight-and-narrow?

2 Timothy 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

What happened to King Saul when he disobeyed God and did what he thought was right in his own eyes? See 1 Samuel 15-16 God removed the right to be king because he rebelled against God's commands.

Note these verses especially:

1 Samuel 15:22 So Samuel said:
“Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
As in obeying the voice of the Lord?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the Lord,
He also has rejected you from being king.”

You are rebelling against the commandments to not worship other Gods, you are worshipping idols AND committing witchcraft.

King Saul paid for his disobedience.
1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him.

The same will happen to you IF you do not repent (turn from your sins), believe the Gospel and make Jesus Christ your Lord and Saviour ALONE.

 

[kala83]

I don't worhsip other gods I read about them and study them.....

look I yes I am a witch ...to me this means I respect the earth, I respect other people of different beliefs then I do.

I respect and honor my ancestors that came before me.

your view on witchcraft and the one the bible has does not match up with the one I do.


and you can sit here and try to tell me what ever you wish but my view point is not gonna make me change. Its an opinion nothing more.

this is why I don't like christians you wanna act like because someone is different from you you can harass them.

your word wither u realize it or not are harsh and sting.

do you know how many times I feel like I want to hurt myself or commit sucide simply due I am different from others.

I accept me for how I am flawed but wanting to be different.

 

[joey_downunder]

Kala83 I will stop now as I see you are determined to use your depression as your "get out of jail" card where it comes to your unrepented sin.

So be it. You have to answer to God for your idolatry. He will forgive you WHEN you decide to give up this idol worship of yours.

 

[manofsorrows]

Hi Kala, you remind me of myself some years ago. I encourage you to keep on being honest with yourself, and keep getting to know Jesus.

 

[forGod1]

I do associate myself as christian but I also follow a very budhist and very pagan life style as well.

Associating myself as a Christo-Pagan.

I have run across controversy every where I go but I have finally found a spiritual calling that works for me.

and truly the only difference is I have a bit more statues around my house then other people varying form Hindu to Egyptian like bastet
and I light lots of incense and lots of candles probably more so then other people.

I have always been a big appreciator of other faiths and mythology so making the personal choice to stay christian but also be pagan was my choice. I know I am an odd ball I know that what I do is probably frowned on by many I mean hex I am bisexual as well.

and none of this I truly plan on changing but I don't view myself as a bad person for this and I love Jesus just as much as when I first meet him.

you might as well worship ronald mcdonald.. that's blunt.