On Language About "Climate Change" and Global Warming" and "Pollution"

[Stephen3141]

Trump Clings to Inaccurate Climate Change Talking Points - FactCheck.org

Former President Donald Trump, who has famously called climate change a “hoax” for many years, hasn’t used the word lately with respect to climate change. But he still clings to some similar arguments, and other claims he makes about climate change haven't changed much over the years.

www.factcheck.org

This article mentions Trump's language about global warming.
But it goes into the common misuse of language about global warming.
And, it underlines that this misdirection from reality, is not new, and many
politicians engage in it.

We are discovering that the systematic pollution of our environment,
and the destruction of natural systems, is having a MUCH FASTER
negative effect on out lives, than the scientists who try tomodel these
changes, expected.

It's time for politicians to stop mocking concerns about how we are destroying
our good earth.

 

[Stephen3141]

By the way, Christians should be ones who hold this good earth as
a stewardship from God.

This means that we cannot view it as "commodities" that we own,
and sell and develop in any way we please -- especially just to
get rich.

Destroying the earth, to get rich, or live in luxury, is not why God
created our parents, and put them in a beautiful garden.

 

[eleos1954]

Trump Clings to Inaccurate Climate Change Talking Points - FactCheck.org

Former President Donald Trump, who has famously called climate change a “hoax” for many years, hasn’t used the word lately with respect to climate change. But he still clings to some similar arguments, and other claims he makes about climate change haven't changed much over the years.

www.factcheck.org

This article mentions Trump's language about global warming.
But it goes into the common misuse of language about global warming.
And, it underlines that this misdirection from reality, is not new, and many
politicians engage in it.

We are discovering that the systematic pollution of our environment,
and the destruction of natural systems, is having a MUCH FASTER
negative effect on out lives, than the scientists who try tomodel these
changes, expected.

It's time for politicians to stop mocking concerns about how we are destroying
our good earth.

Most certainly we can and should do better in protecting our natural resources ... however .... it shouldn't be at the expense of humanity ... some ideas how to deal with environmental issues/concerns that are being put forth are destructive to humanity ... some are very diabolical. We should be pro-human always.

 

[HarleyER]

Trump Clings to Inaccurate Climate Change Talking Points - FactCheck.org

Former President Donald Trump, who has famously called climate change a “hoax” for many years, hasn’t used the word lately with respect to climate change. But he still clings to some similar arguments, and other claims he makes about climate change haven't changed much over the years.

www.factcheck.org

This article mentions Trump's language about global warming.
But it goes into the common misuse of language about global warming.
And, it underlines that this misdirection from reality, is not new, and many
politicians engage in it.

We are discovering that the systematic pollution of our environment,
and the destruction of natural systems, is having a MUCH FASTER
negative effect on out lives, than the scientists who try tomodel these
changes, expected.

It's time for politicians to stop mocking concerns about how we are destroying
our good earth.

Climate change is simply a distraction from other problems. China, Germany and others are building coal plants at an unprecended rate while we are sitting on our hands worrying about the environment. Yet I don't see anyone protesting over in China.

My wife was reading an article today about how the forest service was upset because someone dropped some Doritos in a national park and what effect this has on the environment. Yet I don't hear our politicians complaining about people deficating on the sidewalks in CA and New York and the pollution that causes, the vast amount of litter being discarded in the dessert from illegals crossing the borders, nor the destruction of birds and other wildlife affected by wind turbines and solar panels (and the pollution caused by their disposal). Meanwhile, while preaching about climate change, our "leaders" are jetting off to conferences and buying beach homes.

In the 60s we had nuclear war to worry about with them asking us to hide underneathe our desks if an atomic bomb went off down the block. Then there was race relations, then the war on drugs, and now climate change. They want us to believe in climate change when they can't even predict tomorrow's weather accurately. Two months ago they were telling us we were suppose to have a bad hurricane season. So, where are the hurricanes?

It's all phony. Otherwise, let them clean up the things that are easy and stop telling me I have to use $8 light bulbs and keep the heat at 68 degrees. The reason we are having brown outs isn't because of climate change but they simply are not building power plants like China.

 

[RileyG]

By the way, Christians should be ones who hold this good earth as
a stewardship from God.

This means that we cannot view it as "commodities" that we own,
and sell and develop in any way we please -- especially just to
get rich.

Destroying the earth, to get rich, or live in luxury, is not why God
created our parents, and put them in a beautiful garden.

Take care of the earth, but do not worship the earth IMO.

Blessings

 

[Job 33:6]

Trump Clings to Inaccurate Climate Change Talking Points - FactCheck.org

Former President Donald Trump, who has famously called climate change a “hoax” for many years, hasn’t used the word lately with respect to climate change. But he still clings to some similar arguments, and other claims he makes about climate change haven't changed much over the years.

www.factcheck.org

This article mentions Trump's language about global warming.
But it goes into the common misuse of language about global warming.
And, it underlines that this misdirection from reality, is not new, and many
politicians engage in it.

We are discovering that the systematic pollution of our environment,
and the destruction of natural systems, is having a MUCH FASTER
negative effect on out lives, than the scientists who try tomodel these
changes, expected.

It's time for politicians to stop mocking concerns about how we are destroying
our good earth.

It's alright. I remember 15-20 years ago when conservatives denied that climate change even existed. It will take time for people to come to terms with reality.

 

[Stephen3141]

Climate change is simply a distraction from other problems. China, Germany and others are building coal plants at an unprecended rate while we are sitting on our hands worrying about the environment. Yet I don't see anyone protesting over in China.

My wife was reading an article today about how the forest service was upset because someone dropped some Doritos in a national park and what effect this has on the environment. Yet I don't hear our politicians complaining about people deficating on the sidewalks in CA and New York and the pollution that causes, the vast amount of litter being discarded in the dessert from illegals crossing the borders, nor the destruction of birds and other wildlife affected by wind turbines and solar panels (and the pollution caused by their disposal). Meanwhile, while preaching about climate change, our "leaders" are jetting off to conferences and buying beach homes.

In the 60s we had nuclear war to worry about with them asking us to hide underneathe our desks if an atomic bomb went off down the block. Then there was race relations, then the war on drugs, and now climate change. They want us to believe in climate change when they can't even predict tomorrow's weather accurately. Two months ago they were telling us we were suppose to have a bad hurricane season. So, where are the hurricanes?

It's all phony. Otherwise, let them clean up the things that are easy and stop telling me I have to use $8 light bulbs and keep the heat at 68 degrees. The reason we are having brown outs isn't because of climate change but they simply are not building power plants like China.

I definitely disagree with you.
It is only those who are anti-intellectual, who continue to ignore the
scientific evidence for air pollution, and the resulting climate change.

That other countries continue to build coal power plants, is off the topic.

The difficulty with PREDICTING how much climate change, will come from
a certain amount of pollution, results from the complexity of the natural
systems.

 

[timewerx]

The reason we are having brown outs isn't because of climate change but they simply are not building power plants like China.

Unless you're like the Chinese who have adapted so well to smog, you might regret your wish if your wish became true.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

It's all phony.

Otherwise, let them clean up the things that are easy and stop telling me I have to use $8 light bulbs and keep the heat at 68 degrees. The reason we are having brown outs isn't because of climate change but they simply are not building power plants like China.

China and 3rd word countries do, I think, contribute to the problem far more than the U.S. And as individuals we can still do our small share.

 

[HarleyER]

Unless you're like the Chinese who have adapted so well to smog, you might regret your wish if your wish became true.

Do you think that smog won't come to the US? The US can try to clean up the air all they want but it won't do any good unless everyone is on the same page.

My wish is that people are responsible. Trouble is, they're not. But who do you think would build a better coal power plant that is less poluting, the Chinese or the US?

 

[HarleyER]

China and 3rd word countries do, I think, contribute to the problem far more than the U.S. And as individuals we can still do our small share.

Individually I would agree. But I have six power tools and eight batteries. For 2 new batteries it will cost me $150. This to me is more than a "small share".

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Individually I would agree. But I have six power tools and eight batteries. For 2 new batteries it will cost me $150. This to me is more than a "small share".

What I meant was small share of global impact.

 

[ralliann]

I definitely disagree with you.
It is only those who are anti-intellectual, who continue to ignore the
scientific evidence for air pollution, and the resulting climate change.

It is anti intellectual to ignore climate change locally

That other countries continue to build coal power plants, is off the topic.

It is not anti intellectual to ignore climate change globally. Got it.

The difficulty with PREDICTING how much climate change, will come from
a certain amount of pollution, results from the complexity of the natural
systems.

The hypocrisy makes people intellectually doubt the sincerity.

 

[HarleyER]

What I meant was small share of global impact.

Yes, I agree. I'm not sure we're really making any kind of an impact. All those lithium batteries that we now find toxic to the enviroment are being made over in China where the smog is so heavy one can cut it with a knive. Same with solar panels. Then there is the wind turbines that requires 32 semis to haul them to their location and a crane to construct them.

I don't mean to complain but someone is getting rich off of all this.

 

[timewerx]

Yes, I agree. I'm not sure we're really making any kind of an impact. All those lithium batteries that we now find toxic to the enviroment are being made over in China where the smog is so heavy one can cut it with a knive. Same with solar panels. Then there is the wind turbines that requires 32 semis to haul them to their location and a crane to construct them.

I don't mean to complain but someone is getting rich off of all this.

China is probably making tofu from smog.

I agree with all your points here. Toxic batteries and solar tech.

I believe the fundamental problem is that there's just too many people who uses too much energy so no matter how "clean" the source of energy, it's still causing negative consequences to the environment.

 

[The Barbarian]

Climate change is simply a distraction from other problems. China, Germany and others are building coal plants at an unprecended rate while we are sitting on our hands worrying about the environment.

Sounds like a testable claim...

April 2024:

Germany shuts 15 coal-fired power plants as phase-out ramps up​

Germany shuts 15 coal-fired power plants as phase-out ramps up - Power Technology

Germany shut down 15 coal-fired power plants over the weekend as its government ramps up its plans to phase-out the fossil fuel.

www.power-technology.com

https://apnews.com/article/china-coal-plant-approval-permit-greenpeace-72f2c457e3ee6f09aef464a017acae2d

Yet I don't see anyone protesting over in China.

EU calls on China to stop building coal plants and contribute to a climate fund for poor nations​

https://apnews.com/article/eu-china-climate-hoekstra-dbdb12b2934b5928fdb9d76f830205d3

China will aim to hit peak emissions before 2030 and for carbon neutrality by 2060, President Xi Jinping has announced.

Climate change: China aims for 'carbon neutrality by 2060'

China's surprise announcement of a long-term goal to curb emissions boosts UN climate talks.

www.bbc.com

 

[ralliann]

Sounds like a testable claim...

April 2024:

Germany shuts 15 coal-fired power plants as phase-out ramps up​

Germany shuts 15 coal-fired power plants as phase-out ramps up - Power Technology

Germany shut down 15 coal-fired power plants over the weekend as its government ramps up its plans to phase-out the fossil fuel.

www.power-technology.com

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https://apnews.com/article/china-coal-plant-approval-permit-greenpeace-72f2c457e3ee6f09aef464a017acae2d

EU calls on China to stop building coal plants and contribute to a climate fund for poor nations​

https://apnews.com/article/eu-china-climate-hoekstra-dbdb12b2934b5928fdb9d76f830205d3

China will aim to hit peak emissions before 2030 and for carbon neutrality by 2060, President Xi Jinping has announced.

Climate change: China aims for 'carbon neutrality by 2060'

China's surprise announcement of a long-term goal to curb emissions boosts UN climate talks.

www.bbc.com

China says.......You trust China? Covid came from a wet market too.

 

[The Barbarian]

China, Germany and others are building coal plants at an unprecended rate while we are sitting on our hands worrying about the environment.

Sounds like a testable claim...

April 2024:

Germany shuts 15 coal-fired power plants as phase-out ramps up​

China says.......

Germany. Different country. You're trusting the wrong people. And Greenpeace is not part of China; it's an environmental group that is very critical of China. They are merely pointing out that China has drastically cut permits for coal-fired plants.

Covid came from a wet market too.

And the Big Lie came from a different sort of "wet market." But neither of those seem to have much to do about coal.

 

[eclipsenow]

Climate change is simply a distraction from other problems. China, Germany and others are building coal plants at an unprecended rate while we are sitting on our hands worrying about the environment. Yet I don't see anyone protesting over in China.

See - the best lies are based on cherry-picked truths. China ARE building more coal still - but they're only run as weird peaker plants that are only on about a third of the time. They have SO much wind and solar they're 6 years ahead of schedule - and are leading the world in clean tech. Their car manufacture is SO vastly ahead of yours that they're basically the EV manufacturers of the world - despite European and American attempts at tarrifs. All other car manufacturers are dead - they just don't know it yet.

EG: CATL puts $2 BILLION a year into R&D on new batteries. That employs 22,000 experts! In the one company! Doing nothing but R&D. China are going to win this thing. But at least America and my country of Australia are strengthening ties. Australia can supply all the lithium and rare earths you want. Talk about 'friendshoring'.

America WAS sitting on their heads in this clean tech race - but then Biden installed the IRA and now your battery production is increasing, solar panel manufacture increasing (but not the actual solar cells - you still buy them off China), and

My wife was reading an article today about how the forest service was upset because someone dropped some Doritos in a national park and what effect this has on the environment. Yet I don't hear our politicians complaining about people deficating on the sidewalks in CA and New York and the pollution that causes, the vast amount of litter being discarded in the dessert from illegals crossing the borders, nor the destruction of birds and other wildlife affected by wind turbines and solar panels (and the pollution caused by their disposal). Meanwhile, while preaching about climate change, our "leaders" are jetting off to conferences and buying beach homes.

Who published this - "Trump Daily Mininformation"?

Yes - jetting is a thing. 5% of the world's emissions. It might be one of the last things we legislate to clean up. Is it OK with you if we try not to fry the planet by cleaning up the other 95% of CO2 first? We'll get to the airlines - maybe when the cost of solar has halved AGAIN (by 2030) and we can finally afford synthetic fuel from solar pwoer.

And some will buy beach homes - because they won't be underwater for another 50 years. But some areas on earth are flatter than others and countries like Bangladesh have already lost hundreds of km's to salination from super-storms coming hundreds of km's further inland than they would have without rising sea levels.

In the 60s we had nuclear war to worry about with them asking us to hide underneathe our desks if an atomic bomb went off down the block.

So because nothing happened - nuclear bombs don't work? There's nothing to fear yet if Trump gets in, and his bromance with Putin makes Putin overconfident and he oversteps in Europe and then it's WW3? (And Trump wants to say that will happen under Kamala! Ha ha ha!)
I don't quite see your 'logic' here.

Then there was race relations, then the war on drugs, and now climate change.

Race relations - well yeah? Are you saying we should go back to slavery?
The War on Drugs is a total policy failure. I have a social sciences background. When you make drugs illegal you shrink supply, drive up demand, and create an irresistable incentive to the dealers and cartels - and a legal disincentive for someone to admit they have a problem and seek help. Don't legalise the heavier drugs - but decriminalise them - and supply free alternatives. It breaks the business model - and no more 'War on Drugs'.

They want us to believe in climate change

Sorry pal - but there's no 'believing in' it.
There's scientific facts and peer-reviewed consensus.
Any decent physics lab on the planet can verify how CO2 traps heat.
Mythbusters even did it in a backyard experiment.

when they can't even predict tomorrow's weather accurately.

Oh my gosh! Please go look up climate and weather in the dictionary. Please. You're absolutely betraying how little you know about this subject.

Two months ago they were telling us we were suppose to have a bad hurricane season. So, where are the hurricanes?

You're about to find out...

 

[eclipsenow]

China is probably making tofu from smog.

I agree with all your points here. Toxic batteries and solar tech.

I believe the fundamental problem is that there's just too many people who uses too much energy so no matter how "clean" the source of energy, it's still causing negative consequences to the environment.

No energy source is perfect - and there are slavery and environmental concerns in China.
All energy sources have environmental impacts. But some have vastly, vastly less impacts on the environment than others. Solar panels are awesome - and can be recycled. Wind turbine blades will soon be made from biopolymers - so agriwaste etc - and then will be melted down and reused again and again.

These can both go in the right places or the wrong places. It's a technology. People use knives and guns for good things and bad things as well - should we ban those? (Unless someone needs them as a farmer, we SHOULD ban guns!)

But what kills me is the hypocrisy. The same people tut-tutting over 'believing in' climate change are those who PRETEND environmental concern about a few wind turbines here, or a bit of lithium mining over there. The reality is they've seen a meme in their favourite echo-chamber and just don't really care at all!

What should they care about? As in - be concerned for families and friends? As in - be patriotically INDIGNANT that any modern nation still uses them?
Fossil fuels. That's where the real concern is.

WHO estimates that fossil fuel pollution settling in our lungs and causing cancer etc, costs our global health budgets and EXTRA $5 Trillion a year!

Stop funding pollution

Financial reform will be unavoidable in recovering from COVID19, and a good place to start is with fossil fuel subsidies.

www.who.int

The IEA estimates we need to spend $4 Trillion a year on the Energy Transition. Net Zero by 2050 – Analysis - IEA

The sooner we get this done, the sooner it starts to pay for itself - just on public health grounds alone. Let alone the fact that climate change is REAL and dangerous - and that maintaining a world oil market also props up Petro-Dictators like Russia, Iran, Venezuela and many other countries that don’t like us very much!