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God did. and I will happily send lots of them.
PS JESUS did say HOW often would I have gathered you only YOU WOULD NOT
Jesus also is word of GOD and GOD is his word.
however let me go show you the scrips.
I have a dollar that says he never said that.
 
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Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die , saith the LORD
and not that he should return from his wicked ways and LIVE. ezzikial
Might want to read all of ezz chapter eighteen
but it ends on this too...
For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dies
saith the Lord , wherefore TURN YE from you inquities and LIVE.
 
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Oh jerusalme , Jerusalem
thou which kills the prophets and stones them that come unto thee
How OFTEN would I have gathered thee as a mother hen does her chicks
under her wings...........only YE WOULD NOT.
Yeah JESUS DID SAY THAT......
its in I think at least two of the gosples.
 
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I know you keep saying it. But He never did.
 
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I never said He had pleasure. That's not what you asked.
 
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Here's what He actually said.

“"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:37‬ ‭NASB‬‬
 
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Your right you did not , JIMMY JIMMY asked it.
its harder to keep up with whomever when both ask questions.
anyway I am off, I will keep praying for you all. But its time to go exhort and encourage
elsewhere.
 
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I knew it was in more than one place. Thanks for this one too.
 
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Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
 
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Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
Right. Doesn't say what he said it says.
 
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Saying that God has a divine plan completely negates any concept of free will we might have.
There is something that many in the Catholic Church belief in ,very common in Ireland and France ,and that is that we have been born before ,as I know to be true. God has set up a programme that we work through in a period or cycle of time . At the end of the long period ,this end comes , after Jesus has given us the age of Pisces,(after His death and resurrection ) to approach Him to be saved as we cannot enter into permanent eternal life without believing in Him .
During the long cycle we are free too choose ,but the wrong choice once we have been 'saved', will bring death spiritually , whereas before
it was only bodily .
There is no question that we live in a programme
in which God 'evolves us ' .The RCC has this knowledge but only for the .......
 
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Right. Doesn't say what he said it says.


You strain at gnats and you'll swallow a camel...

2 Peter 3:8 ...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

EDIT: And Ezekiel 18:32
 
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You strain at gnats and you'll swallow a camel...

2 Peter 3:8 ...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Who? Where in that passage does it say every person? (Context matters)
 
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We would have to define what love is here ,or is it something that looks like love ,but is not like self love ,narcissism ,carnal desire ,rebellion ?
After all there are those who love evil ,lwho love Satan.
One would have to define ,to ask John exactly what he meant ,as loving God, means loving as God does in a pure way , not by our human senses , perverted par le Diable .
 
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I agree frienden thalord..........looking at these scriptures afresh, I am seeing afresh here that the Lord rules and "elects" by His foreknowledge.......we have to look at it in light of His foreknowledge and not one word of His contradicts the other, and nor can He act unfairly or unrighteously, as you said He cannot deny His own nature:

2 Timothy 2:20-21

But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.



Romans 9:11-23

(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
 
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