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The proof does not use this assumption.

In your discussion with DaisyDay...

"Let us consider Champion of the humans, HC, who knows all facts"..."Thus, the existence of the Champion is real" - Begging the Question.

We consider possibility.

Your consideration of the possibility is a hypothesis. An assumption on which rests your argument.
 
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In your discussion with DaisyDay...

"Let us consider Champion of the humans, HC, who knows all facts"..."Thus, the existence of the Champion is real" - Begging the Question.

We consider possibility.

Your consideration of the possibility is a hypothesis. An assumption on which rests your argument.
It would be proof by contradiction. I am not proving God this way here.

In logic, proof by contradiction is a form of proof, and more specifically a form of indirect proof, that establishes the truth or validity of a proposition. It starts by assuming that the opposite proposition is true, and then shows that such an assumption leads to a contradiction.

A hypothesis in a proof is an assumption.
 
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It would be proof by contradiction. I am not proving God this way here.

In logic, proof by contradiction is a form of proof, and more specifically a form of indirect proof, that establishes the truth or validity of a proposition. It starts by assuming that the opposite proposition is true, and then shows that such an assumption leads to a contradiction.
There aren't any contradictions that demand the existence of a deity/deities.
 
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Larniavc

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A hypothesis in a proof is an assumption.
So you admit that your hypothesis that God is real is a hypothesis?

Excellent: where is your supporting empirical evidence?
 
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We are the champions,
Got time for lost ones,
Cause we are the champions
Of the Good!

I really have no idea what this is supposed to be, but if these are supposed to be the (bastardized) lyrics to "We Are The Champions" by Queen then your argument is invalid by default. Fallacies be damned!
 
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