Oldest rock in the world 2 days after creation (embedded age)

[BCP1928]

Just as Jesus Says about all of His Word - reject Jesus , reject His Word. Believe Jesus, Believe His Word.

I believe His word, I just don't believe the Genesis stories are literal and inerrant. Literal inerrancy as an hermenuetic is nothing but a politically motivated corruption of the inspired Word of God, an insult to all those who believe the Scriptures to be true.

 

[Aaron112]

That's not what Jesus Says.

 

[AV1611VET]

Literal inerrancy as an hermenuetic is nothing but a politically motivated corruption of the inspired Word of God,

Oh, please.

There's nothing political about it.

 

[truthpls]

I believe His word, I just don't believe the Genesis stories are literal and inerrant.

So you believe the bible, just not cover to cover where it talks of the creation of God. Maybe you should be more precise and say you believe in a few flowery verses only? How about Sodom, do you believe that one?

Literal inerrancy as an hermenuetic is nothing but a politically motivated corruption of the inspired Word of God, an insult to all those who believe the Scriptures to be true.

Did Jesus tell us to worship hermeneutics? It seems heretics might be a better word there. To claim that the creation and first man and woman is 'politically motivated' is to blaspheme Jesus that showed Scripture was signed sealed and delivered to man by God. Now you come along and claim the amazon delivery guy was driving a hermanutic and a paid political operative. Total fantasy.

 

[BCP1928]

Oh, please.

There's nothing political about it.

Of course there is. It's a ploy to drive from the faith all but biblical Evangelicals. It has no other use but that.

 

[BCP1928]

So you believe the bible, just not cover to cover where it talks of the creation of God. Maybe you should be more precise and say you believe in a few flowery verses only? How about Sodom, do you believe that one?

Did Jesus tell us to worship hermeneutics? It seems heretics might be a better word there. To claim that the creation and first man and woman is 'politically motivated' is to blaspheme Jesus that showed Scripture was signed sealed and delivered to man by God. Now you come along and claim the amazon delivery guy was driving a hermanutic and a paid political operative. Total fantasy.

I believe all of it. Cover to cover.

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course there is. It's a ploy to drive from the faith all but biblical Evangelicals. It has no other use but that.

Do we want to take over the world while we're at it?

 

[BCP1928]

That's not what Jesus Says.

Yeah, we've all heard that argument. "Jesus quotes Genesis. He wouldn't quote Genesis unless He believed it was literal and inerrant. Therefore Jesus believed it was literal and inerrant. QED." What we really learn from Jesus is that Scripture is the true and authoritative Word of God. We learn nothing from Him about literal inerrancy.

 

[BCP1928]

Do we want to take over the world while we're at it?

At this point, only the USA.

 

[Aaron112]

Better ask Him

Yeah, we've all heard that argument. "Jesus quotes Genesis. He wouldn't quote Genesis unless He believed it was literal and inerrant. Therefore Jesus believed it was literal and inerrant. QED." What we really learn from Jesus is that Scripture is the true and authoritative Word of God. We learn nothing from Him about literal inerrancy.

“This is God’s Message, the God who made earth, made it livable and lasting, known everywhere as God: ‘Call to me and I will answer you. I’ll tell you marvelous and wondrous things that you could never figure out on your own.’

 

[BCP1928]

Better ask Him

“This is God’s Message, the God who made earth, made it livable and lasting, known everywhere as God: ‘Call to me and I will answer you. I’ll tell you marvelous and wondrous things that you could never figure out on your own.’

We don't learn anything about literal inerrancy from that passage, either.

 

[Aaron112]

“This is God’s Message, the God who made earth, made it livable and lasting, known everywhere as God: ‘Call to me and I will answer you.
I’ll tell you marvelous and wondrous things that you could never figure out on your own.’


Although He very well might not answer someone who doesn't ask in Faith, Trusting.

 

[dlamberth]

Sorry you missed it. Here is the deal. Geochemistry is not the creator any more than the radioactive decay process was. Anything else?

Agreed. Geochemistry is not the Creator. But it can tell us things like the age of geological structures, where the basalt in an area came from and geological relationships between different areas for instance. It can even let us know that some crazy idea that a 2 day old rock is really much, much older than that. As mentioned, geochemistry is also showing the Yellowstone Hot Spot played a significant part in the development of the geology here in the Pacific Northwest. It's a very useful tool for geologist. And it's widely used with confidence.

 

[BCP1928]

“This is God’s Message, the God who made earth, made it livable and lasting, known everywhere as God: ‘Call to me and I will answer you.
I’ll tell you marvelous and wondrous things that you could never figure out on your own.’


Although He very well might not answer someone who doesn't ask in Faith, Trusting.

Right. Faith in the literal inerrancy of Genesis. The only faith you have or care about. I see no evidence that you have any other faith, not even faith in Christ. You just accept Christ because it says so in your literal and inerrant Bible.

 

[Aaron112]

Jesus' sheep hear His Voice Daily as Jesus Shepherds us.
If you do not hear Him, seek Him.

"Sheep Hear Their Master​

In John 10:27, Jesus says, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” This phrase is often misunderstood as referring to a literal, audible voice. However, the biblical context suggests something altogether different. The phrase “my sheep hear my voice” is a figure of speech, likening believers to sheep who recognize and respond to the Good Shepherd’s leadership.

Believing and Following​

The voice of the Good Shepherd is not a physical sound but rather a spiritual reality. It represents the authentic message of Jesus, which speaks to the hearts of those who are truly His. When believers hear this voice, they respond by placing their faith in Jesus and following Him. This is not a mechanical or superficial response but a deep, spiritual commitment."

 

[truthpls]

I believe all of it. Cover to cover.

Except that Adam was created and then Eve from him and etc etc etc How about Sodom?

 

[truthpls]

Agreed. Geochemistry is not the Creator. But it can tell us things like the age of geological structures, where the basalt in an area came from and geological relationships between different areas for instance.

Who cares what land masses were moved in separating the waters from the land? Are you suggesting that basalt or anything else could not have come from another area!? The reasons things are where they are is a question that the naturalyonlydunnit crowd are not aware of.

It can even let us know that some crazy idea that a 2 day old rock is really much, much older than that.

No, it can tell us ratios. That does not tell us whether the rock was created a few days ago by God or not. Why repeat the same mistake?

As mentioned, geochemistry is also showing the Yellowstone Hot Spot played a significant part in the development of the geology here in the Pacific Northwest. It's a very useful tool for geologist. And it's widely used with confidence.

Having a hot spot move or affect other areas has nothing to do with your misdating a 2 day old rock by billions of years.

 

[Astrophile]

Something else that's not being considered is the history of the rock. What kind of rock is it? Is it igneous? Sedimentary? Metamorphic? You know, science stuff that can tell us a lot about the rock and where it came from.

Zircon is a mineral, not a rock. However, it normally occurs in igneous rocks, and its age is the age of the igneous rock in which it crystallised.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It is not a problem for me to look at the natural. The only problem is when you look at nothing else

But you can't show anything else to look at! That's the problem!

But what that means is another story. In context here it means the age you embed in your head instead of reality and what we had from creation.

No, it's 100% your claim and no-one elses.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The idea of embedded age is nothing more than blasphemy. There, I said it.