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The narrative I was talking about is a 6 day creation that happened only 6000 years ago. God's own Creation is telling a very different story. What I feel is a direct contradiction to God is not taking God's own Creation, as Created by God, at what it's showing of itSelf.
Maybe rewrite that thought. It seems somewhat garbled.
In what way is, for example John telling us that Jesus made the planet a 'religious belief'?
No. It is not doing anything of the kind. God's word tells us the heavens declare the glory of God.
No, only the natural is in the realm of science. Not creation. So when so called science mouths off and tells us that some rock that was created 2 days ago (in the OP example) is billions of years old and came about some other way that being created by God, they are talking out of their hat.
You might as well say 'In my spiritual experience, I get tingles up my spine in the morning when thinking of Darwin, and like to call this special time and experience 'spiritual' '
All you do is misuse the word spiritual. Then you try to tack it on the physical world.
Jesus said His Father actually was. Who are we to believe? You are inventing a little phrase about some 'in the world, and physical' 'force' that is wholly made up, and trying to claim that is what powered Jesus. Then you say that the bible (bible narrative) is wrong.
Not the Christ that made the world though. Funny, that. Again, you misuse the word 'Christ'
Unless He is the Jesus of the bible and gospels, then it is not Jesus. There is only one name under heaven and in this world spoken among men that saves. Only one name that created the world. If you have some touchy feely physical oriented 'spiritual' experience involving someone else named 'jesus' that has nothing to do with God or creation of Scripture. Or, I might add, reality.
So how does that work? When John tells us Jesus made the world, are you claiming He took billions of years, and that the beginning He referred to was not that in Genesis? When we are told He created man, are you saying we actually came from animals and stardust, and that God had no active role to speak of and that He verified Scripture that is false as well?
Misusing the words 'god's creation' when talking about man that came from worm like ancestors in a universe that made itself has no meaning. That is a bit like spraying expensive perfume on a manure pile (and Vernon Magee used to say)
Yet you call man, which was God's creation something else. The same is true of the world and life on earth, and the universe. So what you are actually talking about is the way you see it all and how it was not created. Then you use the words 'god's creation' for that.
Perhaps He did. That is what science has proposed, anyway, and since I don't have a dog in that fight don't care very much. I don't think Genesis was written with the intention of giving us an exact timeline.
Perhaps so. I don't believe that Genesis was written with the intention of giving us a scientific description of human origins.
God had a direct and active role in all of it.
I certainly don't believe that the universe "made itself."
Science is attempting to give us a plausible picture of how it looked "from the inside" as it was being created, that's all.
Well, it's what God's own Creation is showing us about itSelf.
See my reply above.
Where you see no meaning, I see the wonders of the creating life force powers of my Beloved God with in His own Creation. It's interesting the difference in which you and I experience the Divine Blessings with in this Creation.
The difference between us is in the process that the Earth and all of the Cosmos was created.
That's interesting. A Traditional Christian (this one, anyway) believes that divine causality is present in every part of the universe.
I see. So an unbelief then. OK. I guess his talking about being a lover of god etc threw me. Tks
So there we have it. You think John may have been talking about Jesus creating this world over billions of years.
Yet it does give a timeline of events and people. That means the timeline roughly to creation.
You have to add the rest of the bible there. Yet it all says God created and this is the origin.
This is directly contrary to Scripture as just posted above for example. His hands made heaven and earth, not had some role in it!
No. There is no God or creator in their thoughts at all. They just rewind natural processes and explain it accordingly with no God.
He made the and man and beasts and heaven and earth and birds and fish and etc at the same time. Even science knows man is not billions of years old.
Creation shows us He created. Not how.
Jesus and the rest of Scripture must have also been wrong in your mind. I do not see that the creation account was not supposed to be real either. The serpent deceived Eve there. Try and explain that with 'men' who were born of animals?
Happy hallucinations I guess. Part of the wonder of creation is that He created it. Whatever force you think you see in the physical world that is not Jesus or His spirit is not the creator. Not God. And the stellar and biologically evolved world that science thinks it sees is an alternate reality dream.
There is only two views. That He created the world and heaven, or that it came to exist some other way
Why would God need to make them all at the same time? Whether one accepts the science or not, the fossil record, while not perfect, provides physical evidence of past life forms across different geological time periods. Denying the science creates countless hoops that creationists need to jump through to convince themselves.
1. "How did the carpenter drive that nail?"
