Okay I have just had an interesting but maybe fallible thought.

[Tinkerbell33]

Okay, I will share with you, I don't want any heated debates though.

This thought is about homosexuality.

I waas just thinking about whether homosexuality is wrong or not, I don't think the issue of homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible, but I maybe wrong,maybe Paul mentioned it?

But anyway, there is nothing that condemns homosexuality in the ten commandments and there is nothing in the two commandments that Jesus gave us that condemns it.

Jesus instructs is to "Love your neighbour as you love yourself", this commandment fulfills all. Being homosexual does not disobey this commandment so how is it worng , but murder, stealing, etc does.

I know that the OT condemns homosexuality in Leviticus, but there are loads of other little things that the OT condemns like women having their hair short.

Anyway, like I said this is just a thought I had and I could be wrong.

So I am waiting . Remember I don't want any attacks, I just want a pleasant and friendly debate.

 

[WileyCoyote]

If homosexuality is right, why can't homosexuals reproduce?

 

[Tinkerbell33]

If homosexuality is right, why can't homosexuals reproduce?

Well, not everyone is meant to produce, just look at nuns.

And I am not necessarily saying it is right, I am just pondering.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

If homosexuality is right, why can't homosexuals reproduce?

Apparently the ability to reproduce is necessary for morality. Trousers can't reproduce...does that mean we shouldn't wear them?

 

[mrkram]

Apparently the ability to reproduce is necessary for morality. Trousers can't reproduce...does that mean we shouldn't wear them?

knowingly involving yourself in an act that will ensure the extinction of the human race if all partook in it exclusively emcompasses a morality aspect. I have no qualms with homosexual people but suggesting that there is no morale issue involved with the reproductive position of homosexuality is illogical.

 

[charlie_hunter]

ok..........here we go...................

in my opinion, the bible does not, anywhere, even in the OT, condems homosexuals.........what it does condem is sex outside of marriage and marriage is one man and one woman........

the bible speaks out about same sex relations (in the physical sense) not being a homosexual. the two are different things. There is nothing wrong with being gay, i belive some are born that way. they are just presented with unique challanges in life. Prehaps they're part of the 'gift of singleness' that Paul discusses.


being a homosexual means you're sexually attracted to the same gender, it does not actually mean you will have sex with them.

there is nothing wrong with being gay. if there is, take it up with God, he made them that way!

 

[charlie_hunter]

MrKram..........you talk of logic but say "knowingly involving yourself in an act that will ensure the extinction of the human race if all partook in it exclusively emcompasses a morality aspect."

are you implying that its wrong to be celibate?!?!?!?!?!?!

that would doom the race just as fast as being gay!

 

[KarrieTex]

Well, not everyone is meant to produce, just look at nuns.

And I am not necessarily saying it is right, I am just pondering.

Just to point out the illogic of that statement.

Nuns can reproduce they have made the choice not to.

By your logic, Nuns by the fact they are nuns can not reproduce.

 

[HannahBanana]

If homosexuality is right, why can't homosexuals reproduce?

If infertility is right, then why can't infertile couples reproduce?

 

[charlie_hunter]

Just to point out the illogic of that statement.

Nuns can reproduce they have made the choice not to.

By your logic, Nuns by the fact they are nuns can not reproduce.

Gay people can choose to repoduce too, they also choose not too?

WTB Logic.

 

[HannahBanana]

Okay, I will share with you, I don't want any heated debates though.

This thought is about homosexuality.

I waas just thinking about whether homosexuality is wrong or not, I don't think the issue of homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible, but I maybe wrong,maybe Paul mentioned it?

But anyway, there is nothing that condemns homosexuality in the ten commandments and there is nothing in the two commandments that Jesus gave us that condemns it.

Jesus instructs is to "Love your neighbour as you love yourself", this commandment fulfills all. Being homosexual does not disobey this commandment so how is it worng , but murder, stealing, etc does.

I know that the OT condemns homosexuality in Leviticus, but there are loads of other little things that the OT condemns like women having their hair short.

Anyway, like I said this is just a thought I had and I could be wrong.

So I am waiting . Remember I don't want any attacks, I just want a pleasant and friendly debate.

My bisexuality does not make me a bad person, nor does it mean that others can feel free to try to "cure" me. All it is is a different sexuality, and I honestly don't understand why so many people are afraid of those who are different.

 

[Niels]

God wants what's best for people. On average, homosexuals have shorter lifespans because of their lifestyle, and their relationships are usually more unstable than heterosexual relationships. This not only brings grief to the homosexual, but also to homosexual's extended family. Knowing what I know about God, He probably doesn't like it when people get sick and die etc.

 

[HannahBanana]

God wants what's best for people. On average, homosexuals have shorter lifespans because of their lifestyle, and their relationships are usually more unstable than heterosexual relationships. This not only brings grief to the homosexual, but also to homosexual's extended family. Knowing what I know about God, He probably doesn't like it when people get sick and die etc.

Where exactly did you get all of those "facts" from?

 

[soccerdad66]

This subject has been discussed before, but the bible is clear on this subject, Romans 1:26-28, and I Cor 6:9, as well as several passages in the old testament.

I've also seen the lectures by one of the founders of Grace Church here in Seattle, an openly gay church, and intentionally or not, he mis-interprets scripture and the Hebrew.

I don't have a problem with gay people, but it's like any sin, falling into sin and being tempted to sin is one thing, but choosing a life in rebellion to God's word is another.

 

[HannahBanana]

This subject has been discussed before, but the bible is clear on this subject, Romans 1:26-28, and I Cor 6:9, as well as several passages in the old testament.

I've also seen the lectures by one of the founders of Grace Church here in Seattle, an openly gay church, and intentionally or not, he mis-interprets scripture and the Hebrew.

I don't have a problem with gay people, but it's like any sin, falling into sin and being tempted to sin is one thing, but choosing a life in rebellion to God's word is another.

So, then, can I assume that you have a problem with alcoholics, depressed people, people with eating disorders, and obese people, too, then? Or do you just ignore the fact that those people are "choosing a life in rebellion to God's word" just as much as gay people are?

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

knowingly involving yourself in an act that will ensure the extinction of the human race if all partook in it exclusively emcompasses a morality aspect. I have no qualms with homosexual people but suggesting that there is no morale issue involved with the reproductive position of homosexuality is illogical.

If you assume Kant's 'I ought never to act in such a way that I can also will that my maxim become a universal law', then maybe this matters. For the mast majority of people who reject this insane, impossible absolutism, it's enitrely irrelevant.

 

[soccerdad66]

So, then, can I assume that you have a problem with alcoholics, depressed people, people with eating disorders, and obese people, too, then? Or do you just ignore the fact that those people are "choosing a life in rebellion to God's word" just as much as gay people are?

Where does it say that a fat person will never enter the kingdom of heaven? Each sin carries it own weight, and each person is going to be accountable to God for their own actions. The problem I have is when someone justifies it and then misleads others, which may prevent them from entering the kingdom of heaven.

I also wouldn't lump depressed people in with that group. Who chooses to be depressed?

Don't get me wrong, I have had good friends who are gay, and I know God loves them just as much as he loves me, and I'm no more or less a sinner then they are.

And I'm not trying to convince you that you are wrong, that isn't going to happen, but I am saying wha the bible says, if you choose to interpret it differently, then that's your right.

 

[Luther073082]

Umm anyone read the old testimate recently?

Yeah its in there as a "do not"

There is nothing wrong with "being" gay. There is things wrong with acting on the impulse.

 

[Luther073082]

Lev 18:22

"'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Matt 5:17 ""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Law is still law. This isn't a procedural law, this isn't a dietary law, and this isn't a punishment. This is clear straight out morality statement.

All the things you are thinking about are procedural laws. Morality laws are not abolished.

 

[Lady Bug]

If homosexuality is right, why can't homosexuals reproduce?

No offense intended (although it might be taken) but that is a fallacious argument against homosexuality.

if two heterosexual people cannot have a child, does that invalidate their relations?