OK, I'VE HAD IT, So I'm gonna say it... explain me this.

[PulpitFiction]

Tell me this, if you will.......

what are your views on polygamy?

Pedophilia?

Beastiality?

I know you consider it reprehensible to pass judgment on a particular lifestyle, so am I wrong for judging a man with 6 wives, or a man having sex with a 4-year-old?

I don't see how you can compare polygamy to the other two. If a man and all his wives consent to be in such a relationship, then there is no problem with it. If they are forced to be his wives then there is.

Unlike polygamy, pedophilia and beastiality cannot foster consent. Neither a four year old nor horse cannot consent to having sex with anyone.

 

[whyohwhy]

Tell me this, if you will.......

what are your views on polygamy?

Pedophilia?

Beastiality?

I know you consider it reprehensible to pass judgment on a particular lifestyle, so am I wrong for judging a man with 6 wives, or a man having sex with a 4-year-old?

I am against pedophilia and Beastiality cause I don't believe the children or animals can fully comprehand the desions they make. Just like we wouldn't let a chlild vote in an ellection or carry a gun. Animals can't say no.

I think bigomy is strange but if someone wants to do it, who am I to stop him/her? I wouldn't mind having 4 model girlfreinds... but I can't see myself being that lucky.

 

[Vastavus]

How dare us Christians oppose gays when homosexuality goes directly against how the Bible tells us to live.

The Bible tells YOU how to live. The choice to live or not live by any religious code is still the choice of the individual. Believing in the Bible doesn't mean forcing everyone else to abide by it's laws.

 

[blueapplepaste]

Married men may go to a strip club because their friend who is getting married is having his bachelor party there.... just because the married man goes doesn't mean he is trying to start a relationship with a stripper.... not just one visit.... multiple visits, spending the paycheck at a strip club, that may be a different issue altogether.....

As for people imposing their beliefs on others.... seems to be a human condition. If we are abiding by a certain set of rules we want everyone to abide by them..... we don't seem to be satisfied that we are doing it, we want company...

I know that many married men go not looking for a relationship or an affair or whatever. My was in response to another poster who said that married men who go to strip clubs ruin their marriage. My response was meant to be that if they're going to look for something that's an issue, and then if they go not looking for anything and don't find anything (perhaps a bachelor party like you said) and that ruins the marriage, then the marriage was already screwed up if a trip to the strip club could take it down.

 

[seebs]

So you're saying it's ok to treat stripprs like trash, make their life difficult, assult them or simply lock them up just because some people don't like their job joice?

Many people would indeed say this. I am a great fan of this one Jewish guy who taught otherwise.

 

[outlaw]

Tell me this, if you will.......

what are your views on polygamy?

Pedophilia?

Beastiality?

I know you consider it reprehensible to pass judgment on a particular lifestyle, so am I wrong for judging a man with 6 wives, or a man having sex with a 4-year-old?

Well…God and the bible consider polygamy a good thing



We know most bible patriarchs had multiple wives.

Esau with 3 wives; Jacobhad 2; Ashurhad 2; Gideonhad many; Elkanahhad 2; Davidhad many; Solomon had 700 wives of royal birth; Rehaboamhad 3; Rehaboamhad 3; Abijahhad 14; Jehoram, Joash, Ahab, Jeholachin and Belshazzar also had multiple wives.



Then there were concubines of which a man could have many. These were women he was not married to but with whom he engaged in sexual relations (apparently if you call the woman you are having an affair with a concubine then it isn’t adultery.) Genesis 21:10 tells us that these women could be thrown away like used tissues without moral issues. Smith's Bible Dictionary: "A concubine would generally be either (1) a Hebrew girl bought...[from] her father; (2) a Gentile captive taken in war; (3) a foreign slave bought; or (4) a Canaanitish woman, bond or free." They would probably be brought into an already-established household. Abraham had two concubines: Gideon: at least 1: Nahor: 1: Jacob: 1: Eliphaz: 1: Gideon: 1: Caleb: 2: Manassah: 1: Saul: 1: David: at least 10: Rehoboam: 60: Solomon: 300(the man already had 700 wives…where did he find the time?)





Then there is the Levirate marriage. The name of this type of marriage is derived from the Latin word "levir," which means "brother-in-law." This involved a woman who was widowed without having borne a son. She would be required to leave her home, marry her brother-in-law, live with him, and engage in sexual relations. The woman would have to endure what was essentially serial rapes with her former brother-in-law as perpetrator. In Genesis 38:6-10, Tamar's husband Er was killed by God for unspecified sinful behavior. Er's brother, Onan, was then required by custom to marry Tamar. Not wanting to have a child who would not be consider his, he engaged in an elementary (and quite unreliable) method of birth control: coitis interruptus. God was very displeased with Onan's behavior and killed him as well. Ruth 4 reveals that a man would be required to enter into a levirate marriage not only with his late brother's widow, but with a widow to whom he was the closest living relative.







Deuteronomy 21:11-14 and Numbers 31:1-18 describe how women captured in war would shave her head, pare her nails, be left alone to mourn the loss of her families, friends, and freedom. After a full month has passed, they would be required to submit to their owners sexually. Again if you are a married soldier and have sex with a woman from the loosing side it apparently isn’t adultery.

 

[Nymphalidae]

I know that many married men go not looking for a relationship or an affair or whatever. My was in response to another poster who said that married men who go to strip clubs ruin their marriage. My response was meant to be that if they're going to look for something that's an issue, and then if they go not looking for anything and don't find anything (perhaps a bachelor party like you said) and that ruins the marriage, then the marriage was already screwed up if a trip to the strip club could take it down.

Since marriage is about a lot more than just sex, I can't imagine why a trip to a strip club would mess things up.

 

[Aimee30]

I can't post on certain parts of the thread due to needing to have proof to back me up. But Okay, I'll say what's on my mind--human rights are human rights--everyone has a right to be alive. We don't have the right to force people to believe anything. We have a right to say what we determine to be right and wrong. Sometimes we abuse that right. Sometimes we breech our ideals of non-judgement of others. Inpointing out the difference between right and wrong we must no judge the person as a whole.
As far as I see , the political is best left to the politicians. Go ahead, support your causes in the political arena and vote for your officials, but no one must ever tell others that they must be like them or else. Seeing that people say religion made America great, they also must look at the toll abuses of religion take on other people. Native Americans, not all bad and not all evil even though some of the religious supported their destruction. The slaves were determined to be a right even even religious people, using the Old Testament as their backing point. Religion should never be an excuse to beat up on or kill people. Maybe abuses of human rights may incite a war, but never should we say we are Christians and better than those pagans who we are about to do battle with.
If America wants to make itself greater, why don't they try developing weapons that don't kill but subdue an enemy long enough to imprison them? How good you are to your fellow man, even your enemies, is a measure of a nation's progress or even an individual's personal progress. Showing love to your fellow human, despite how you feel about him/her or his or her background, will help both you and the person receiving good will to grow.

 

[StormyOne]

I know that many married men go not looking for a relationship or an affair or whatever. My was in response to another poster who said that married men who go to strip clubs ruin their marriage. My response was meant to be that if they're going to look for something that's an issue, and then if they go not looking for anything and don't find anything (perhaps a bachelor party like you said) and that ruins the marriage, then the marriage was already screwed up if a trip to the strip club could take it down.

agreed.....

 

[Arkanin]

Simple truth wins.

One man's simple truth is another man's simplistic tripe, and that, sir, is where your fist stops before my nose begins.

Actually, the Roman Empire fell because of the rise of Christianity.

This isn't wholely true, but it's ironic people should mention Rome when Christianity was such a major contributing factor to its fall.

 

[Niels]

It's funny what people read into what I'm saying. I said I don't think people should discriminate and now you're talking about me wanting rights talken away.

You said:
"views which beg the question, who gave you the right to dictate to others what is right and wrong?"

My rights under the constitution of the United States do allow me to call a vice a vice. If you also live here, you have that same right. Of course there are no excuses for mistreating an individual, but we can certainly be vocal about what we view as unhealthy.

Say what you want to people, I don't care, but if you start passing laws against them, arresting them, assulting them, abusing them, firing them, or simply paying them less, because you don't agree with their personal choices, there is a problem.

Say what you will, but that doesn't sound like any Christian I've ever met. At worst, they might be guilty of inviting the stripper to a bible study or avoiding her establishment. In this instance, my experience trumps your prejudice. Unless, of course, you define "Christian" as anybody who isn't Jewish, Hindu, Muslim et al., then there are a lot of people who accept and fit that definition. Attempting to link Christianity to abuse, assault etc. is like calling Martin Luther King Jr. a racist. Honestly, you'd be much more effective just going after the injustice... rather than trying to anger those who are likely on your side.

 

[Idioteque]

I am against pedophilia and Beastiality cause I don't believe the children or animals can fully comprehand the desions they make. Just like we wouldn't let a chlild vote in an ellection or carry a gun. Animals can't say no.

I think bigomy is strange but if someone wants to do it, who am I to stop him/her? I wouldn't mind having 4 model girlfreinds... but I can't see myself being that lucky.

You missed my point entirely.

The point is that you're beligerently attacking others for subscribing to particular social values..... when you do the exact same thing. I mean, exact.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

How dare us Christians oppose gays when homosexuality goes directly against how the Bible tells us to live.

Yes, how dare you? If you believe your holy text tells you that homosexuality (or anything else) is wrong, then don't do it. You have NO right to prevent or try to prevent anyone else from doing something merely because you think god doesn't like it.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

I am against pedophilia and Beastiality cause I don't believe the children or animals can fully comprehand the desions they make. Just like we wouldn't let a chlild vote in an ellection or carry a gun. Animals can't say no.

But we still eat animals ( well, unless you're a vegan )? Animals don't have a choice there either. Yet I don't believe that eating animals has the same bad effects on a person or society that beastiality can have.

 

[outlaw]

You said:
"views which beg the question, who gave you the right to dictate to others what is right and wrong?"

My rights under the constitution of the United States do allow me to call a vice a vice. If you also live here, you have that same right.

The constitution gives you the right to express your OPINION that something is a vice but not to dictate what is and what is not.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

The constitution gives you the right to express your OPINION that something is a vice but not to dictate what is and what is not.

I always find it ironic that the people who are so keen to insist that the Constitution gives them the right to express their opinions are the ones who are so eager to take away other people's rights given them by that same Constitution.

 

[Mereni]

I don't go along with discrimination for any reason on any person. I have seen gays being discriminated against. I have seen christians being discriminated against. I have seen satanists being discriminated against. I have seen blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, being discriminated against. Nobody can claim more discrimination then anybody else imho. People from all walks of life do it, and people from all walks of life get it done to them.

 

[Jetgirl]

I always find it ironic that the people who are so keen to insist that the Constitution gives them the right to express their opinions are the ones who are so eager to take away other people's rights given them by that same Constitution.

It took me a long time to cut that out, and actually accept other's views that I might not agree with, such as the opinion that homosexuality is wrong.

I can try to educate folks, but if they think it's wrong, it's terrible, etc... and I can't convince them, who am I to say they shouldn't vote on that opinion? They can't tell me not to vote on mine either, though we may completely disagree.