OK, I'VE HAD IT, So I'm gonna say it... explain me this.

[whyohwhy]

While the majority of you seem to be pretty moderate in your views and feelings regarding most things, some of you have some extreme views which beg the question, who gave you the right to dictate to others what is right and wrong?

I'm going to drop the bomb and just say what those of you with radical ideas would like to say, but never quite say it.

I remember once someone here had a threat about strippers and a 13 year old girl said that all strippers were yucky. 20 odd people came on and told her she shouldn't discriminate against a person for doing a job that she personally just doesn't want to do. That it's their choice to do what they like and that she isn't hurting anybody by it. Then a middle aged women came on and told the girl "DON'T LISTEN TO THOSE WORDY LIBERALS, YOU ARE RIGHT TO THINK AS YOU DO. THEY SHOULD BE PERSICUTED FOR THEIR LIFE OF SIN." Now is it just me or is this the out look many of our goverment officials have too? If they're not fond of a certain life style they make their life difficult if not impossible. They are the ones with power and I see them abusing it.

Then there was a thread about about what would happen if Hindu was tought in schools. Some of you referred to hindu as trash and said some other bad things about it which I won't repeat. This further convinces me that some of you think that all other religious are a path to satanism.

Then there was the pro and anti american goverment threads. Some people dismissed all America's faults as liberal propaganda, the same people who thought Africa was a country and that Germany hand conquared the UK in the second world war. It does worry me that people who are clearly so ignorent should be allowed to serve in the American military. The said people then went on to brag how our Military was better because it was full of christians and had the right to invade other countries.

I didn't know we were still on holly Crusades? So I guess when Bush said WMD's he meant the Holly Grail, and his reliable sources was actually Indian Jones... Get my drift?

When the debate over whether some of America's goverments contuct seem's right or not, certain people decided to make such constructive comments as stating that debates on or offline regarding said topics will mean nothing. Our opinions mean nothing, only those who follow Christ will be right. Is it just me or does such a view point seem just a little closed? I find it quite scary as it is people who never question anything and just follow their religioun who have been known to on shooting spree's, suicide bombings and etc, all in the name of their God, or in some cases, their dictator (AKA STALIN AND HITLER).

I don't believe one should never question certain things, I think everything should be open to questioning.

And what's with the attitude towards homosexuals? Some people here have out right said they think that homosexuals should not have the right to work, serve in the army, live in the same houses, buildings, streets, towns or planet as the rest of us. And Heavens for bid they have a Civil union because we all know that only a Christian wedding is the aproved type of marrage.

If that's the case then let us evict all none christians, I mean the Jews, the muslims, the Aitheist, everyone who doesn't hug a bible at night while they sleep. And while we're at it, which sector of christianity is right? If I'm a Catholic I'm going to hell for not being a protostant and if I'm a protostant I'm damned for not being a Catholic, so lets all leave America cause we're all bad people and nobody can agree with anybody's life styles here.

We're all so intolerent, it's a wonder we haven't nuked ourselves yet.

Now look at Holland, or Sweden. Lots of people from all parts of the world there, different religiouns, sexual preferences, skin colors but generally, they all get along. The main point is, the law doesn't discriminate against anyone there.

For the land of the free, we sure aren't doing a very good job at it.

 

[TuxThePenguin]

Kudos whyohwhy.

 

[NothingButTheBlood]

This is more of a political rant then morality or philos.

 

[Nymphalidae]

I don't get it either, Whyohwhy.

 

[Catholicism]

While the majority of you seem to be pretty moderate in your views and feelings regarding most things, some of you have some extreme views which beg the question, who gave you the right to dictate to others what is right and wrong?

Saying it is wrong to dictate morality is self-contradictory.

 

[Lokisdottir]

Saying it is wrong to dictate morality is self-contradictory.

When it comes to rights, there's an old saying: "Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins." So yes, dictating your morality to others is wrong because it encroaches on their right to live by their own morality. As long as their own morality does not, in turn, encroach on other people's various rights (in a nutshell, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness").

 

[butterfoot]

When it comes to rights, there's an old saying: "Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins." So yes, dictating your morality to others is wrong because it encroaches on their right to live by their own morality. As long as their own morality does not, in turn, encroach on other people's various rights (in a nutshell, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness").

But isn't those who support gay rights adimantly oppose poligamy? On one side you are for changing laws so that everyone can live by their own morality but then you oppose something that is different from your own morality. How dare us Christians oppose gays when homosexuality goes directly against how the Bible tells us to live.

I agree with some of your OP in that because people once lived a certain way that they can't change. I believe people can change themselves and live a better life.


-cw

 

[charlesseamanj]

It seems to me that you are trying to justify what you do or believe.

Now I will grant you this, that some people are extreem, but there is a sense of logic in morals that canot be denyed. Their is a reason why that older lady said that to the young girl. It is because of the whole outlook on the issue of striping. If you look at the Roman Empire you will see the moral decay and what society became because of it. The empire slowly weekened as the empire decayed moraly. Their were other reasons,yes, but you can see the affect on the whole of society.

 

[Nymphalidae]

It seems to me that you are trying to justify what you do or believe.

Now I will grant you this, that some people are extreem, but there is a sense of logic in morals that canot be denyed. Their is a reason why that older lady said that to the young girl. It is because of the whole outlook on the issue of striping. If you look at the Roman Empire you will see the moral decay and what society became because of it. The empire slowly weekened as the empire decayed moraly. Their were other reasons,yes, but you can see the affect on the whole of society.

Could you please provide evidence showing the fall of the Roman Empire was due to immorality?

 

[whyohwhy]

It seems to me that you are trying to justify what you do or believe.

Now I will grant you this, that some people are extreem, but there is a sense of logic in morals that canot be denyed. Their is a reason why that older lady said that to the young girl. It is because of the whole outlook on the issue of striping. If you look at the Roman Empire you will see the moral decay and what society became because of it. The empire slowly weekened as the empire decayed moraly. Their were other reasons,yes, but you can see the affect on the whole of society.

So you're saying it's ok to treat stripprs like trash, make their life difficult, assult them or simply lock them up just because some people don't like their job joice?

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Saying it is wrong to dictate morality is self-contradictory.

Simple truth wins.

 

[Maxwell511]

It seems to me that you are trying to justify what you do or believe.

Now I will grant you this, that some people are extreem, but there is a sense of logic in morals that canot be denyed. Their is a reason why that older lady said that to the young girl. It is because of the whole outlook on the issue of striping. If you look at the Roman Empire you will see the moral decay and what society became because of it. The empire slowly weekened as the empire decayed moraly. Their were other reasons,yes, but you can see the affect on the whole of society.

What was the "official" religion of the Roman Empire before it fell. Besides the Empire didn't technically fall. It lost it's Western territories moved it's capital to Constantinople and began the Byzantine Empire.

 

[blueapplepaste]

It seems to me that you are trying to justify what you do or believe.

Now I will grant you this, that some people are extreem, but there is a sense of logic in morals that canot be denyed. Their is a reason why that older lady said that to the young girl. It is because of the whole outlook on the issue of striping. If you look at the Roman Empire you will see the moral decay and what society became because of it. The empire slowly weekened as the empire decayed moraly. Their were other reasons,yes, but you can see the affect on the whole of society.

Sure morals are good, but the problem is that who or what decides which morals we will follow or try to live by? I think we can all agree that murder is immoral, but stripping, for example, I don't think is a moral issue but an opinion. I think that what another poster said about "the right to swing your fist stops at my nose" is dead on. Murder hurts someone. Stripping doesn't. Plain and simple.

And regarding morality, I think that EVERYONE needs to take a quick look in the mirror before they are so quick to pass judgement on others. Many on here are all to quick to fault someone else yet they fail to see their own faults.

 

[butterfoot]

Sure morals are good, but the problem is that who or what decides which morals we will follow or try to live by? I think we can all agree that murder is immoral, but stripping, for example, I don't think is a moral issue but an opinion. I think that what another poster said about "the right to swing your fist stops at my nose" is dead on. Murder hurts someone. Stripping doesn't. Plain and simple.

Do you not think that a married man going to see a stripper could hurt the family he is apart of. It doesn't just affect you but your family as well. So your analysis that stripping doesn't hurt anyone is wrong.


-cw

 

[knightlight72]

I thought I might post that while it can be sometimes frustrating to see someone hold their opinion, it's pretty much impossible to say they shouldn't be allowed their opinion.

But at the same time, not everyone is going to agree. While someone may say that one's morality may not dictate the laws, ultimately, it does. If one person says they should be allowed, and the other says it shouldn't be allowed, when the law is passed, you can't please everyone. Someone is going to lose.

So, yes someone's morality is gong to decide what you can or cannot do. And you can even disagree with that law as well.

Just as some christians speak their beliefs, non christians speak their beliefs as well. I don't think it fair to assume that everyone is going to come up with the perfect answer, and somehow the perfect answer agrees with your view on it.

 

[llucas]

Actually, the Roman Empire fell because of the rise of Christianity.

And as far as stripping goes, sit down and speak with an accomplished sociologist and they will tell you that strippers and hookers serve a viable role in our society. Sure, people can argue that hookers ruin relationships, but how often does a hooker ask for commitment that ruins a marriage. How many times have you heard "Honey, I'm leaving you for a hooker"? Their role is one of escape. Albeit, some would argue morally reprehensible, their role is not fixed in an individuals life.

 

[GMRELIC]

It seems to me that alot of people pick and choose which sinners that want to be mean to, They will treat the stripper like a secord rate citizen, but they will treat with
respect the person that cheats on thier taxes, or gossips, or overeats. Its a shame, but I believe alot people like to point and belittle and put down other people, because they can ignore what they should really be working on, which is thier selves. It is alot easier to condemn others that it is to clean up thier own backyards.

 

[LibertyChic]

Do you not think that a married man going to see a stripper could hurt the family he is apart of. It doesn't just affect you but your family as well. So your analysis that stripping doesn't hurt anyone is wrong.


-cw

The stripper didn't hurt the man's family...he did.

 

[UberLutheran]

Why do you hate freedom, and why do you hate America, whyohwhy?

(Actually, I think much of your post was right on the mark -- but "why do you hate freedom, and why do you hate America" seems to be the stock remark given by so many right-wing Christians to anything which is the least bit critical of them, or their policies, or their President.)

 

[butterfoot]

The stripper didn't hurt the man's family...he did.

They both had a part in it. Without one or the other the problem wouldn't have exsisted.


-cw