Oh boy - I wondered what this whole Mar A Lago thing was about

[Jesse Dornfeld]

The fact that the Obama library has 30 million unclassified documents? Doesn't seem like accepting or denying that would be in any way related to Donald's most recent legal issues.

It does if we want to be fair, which most people have no interest in.

 

[KCfromNC]

People seem to think that Trump having classified documents is a fact though. Funny how that works.

Yes, people have read the warrant that Donald insisted be released which cataloged the classified, secret and top secret documents at his house.

 

[RDKirk]

People seem to think that Trump having classified documents is a fact though. Funny how that works.

Well, if the boxes recovered by the FBI do indeed include documents classified by Congressional act, then that would be a fact.

 

[KCfromNC]

It does if we want to be fair, which most people have no interest in.

Go on, explain how they're related. How does a presidential library archiving unclassified documents has anything to do with someone storing top secret documents in their home. Please be specific. Oh, and when you're done, be sure to let the government agency in charge of this sort of thing know that someone on the internet thinks they're wrong : National Archives Rebuts Baseless Donald Trump Statements About Barack Obama and Classified Documents

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

then

You don't say.

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

Yes, people have read the warrant that Donald insisted be released which cataloged the classified, secret and top secret documents at his house.

What are you accusing Trump of again?

 

[KCfromNC]

What are you accusing Trump of again?

I said the warrant listed Top Secret documents as some of the thing found at his home. If you consider that fact an accusation, well, welcome to the reality of the situation we find ourselves in.

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

I said the warrant listed Top Secret documents as some of the thing found at his home. If you consider that fact an accusation, well, welcome to the reality of the situation we find ourselves in.

So you were not trying to insinuate anything?

 

[Yttrium]

Let's imagine that we're talking about any information the president is given with the exception of the military (and I'm only mentioning that because it's a possibility, it's pretty difficult to imagine what they wouldn't tell him if he asked).

Who do you think has authority over the president regarding what any kind of information is classified as?

I'm not trying to be mean about this....I just don't know what you're saying.

Imagine almost every part of the federal government. Imagine that you work in that part of the government and have access to some top secret information. Who is your boss?? Who is his boss??? Who is your boss's boss's boss???

At some point, you're almost certainly ending at "the president".

How do you imagine the federal government works?

The president can decide to declassify most classified materials on whim. But there's still a declassification process to go through. Any document is likely to have multiple copies, including on computers, and they all have to have their classification markings removed.

The fact that the classifications markings weren't removed demonstrates that they weren't declassified.

 

[Ceallaigh]

It doesn't appear that the claim "the mole supposedly knew exactly where the documents were kept" had any basis in reality to begin with. Did anyone with any real knowledge say that? There are no locations noted in the search warrant.

I guess the idea of a mole started for the sake on innuendo that someone in Trump's family betrayed him. However I thought at the time it was being said the FBI had someone working undercover at the resort.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

People seem to think that Trump having classified documents is a fact though. Funny how that works.

No it is rather pathetic. since we now even have the inventory from the warrant that shows them.

 

[Desk trauma]

No it is rather pathetic. since we now even have the inventory from the warrant that shows them.

Which was all planted but also all specifically declassified somehow.

 

[Arcangl86]

Are the Dems just going to just gloss over this fact? Yup.

You can't gloss over a fact if it isn't a fact. The files in the Obama Library are still in the custody of the NARA, which is the body that legally has control of them. They have chosen to partner with the Obama Foundation to digitize them and make them available that way, but both the originals, and I believe but have no solid proof either way, the data base the digitals live in are still under the control of NARA. So not the same situation at all, as much as Trump is trying to make it seem like it.

 

[durangodawood]

You can't gloss over a fact if it isn't a fact. The files in the Obama Library are still in the custody of the NARA, which is the body that legally has control of them. They have chosen to partner with the Obama Foundation to digitize them and make them available that way, but both the originals, and I believe but have no solid proof either way, the data base the digitals live in are still under the control of NARA. So not the same situation at all, as much as Trump is trying to make it seem like it.

He can gloss over the facts you present. Just watch.

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

He can gloss over the facts you present. Just watch.

I'm not a Democrat so it does not apply to me

 

[JosephZ]

President Trump simply had to order the documents he took with him to be declassified, he did, and those documents were then declassified.

What I want to know is how did Trump declassify the documents found at Mar-a-Lago before the FBI planted them there?

 

[Arcangl86]

I'm not a Democrat so it does not apply to me

So how do you respond to the fact that Obama did not take anything documents with him?

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

So how do you respond to the fact that Obama did not take anything documents with him?

IDK.

 

[BPPLEE]

What I want to know is how did Trump declassify the documents found at Mar-a-Lago before the FBI planted them there?

He had an informant in the FBI who alerted him to the scheme.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The president can decide to declassify most classified materials on whim.

Right.

But there's still a declassification process to go through. Any document is likely to have multiple copies, including on computers, and they all have to have their classification markings removed.

Actually, it doesn't. There's all sorts of rules that dictate when classified information is able to be shared. Declassifying it on these instances doesn't mean it has to be declassified in every circumstance. If a federal agent needs to share information with another agent with a lower clearance....there's times when that happens and a process for how it's done. That doesn't give the other agent higher clearance, nor does it declassify the information to everyone across the board. One of the obvious circumstances of an example of this process is called "need to know". We would say that in such instances, the information needed is temporarily declassified, and once "need to know" ends....the agent can't share it again.

The idea that all this information has to be permanently declassified by the president through a bureaucratic process that also declassifies it in every situation is rather ludicrous. The president has advisors who simply won't have the clearance or need to know...like Dr Fauci for example....where he can simply hand a pile of highly classified information, ask for their advice on it, and have them acknowledge that they understand it cannot be shared and they risk prosecution should they share it.

The idea that this process follows a strict declassification process is bunko.

Ever heard of a gag order?

Gag order - Wikipedia